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I tend to buy a new car every 5 years, my next one would be coming up in 2023. If you asked me in 2020 I would say a Tesla Model Y, not a chance of that happeni

I tend to buy a new car every 5 years, my next one would be coming up in 2023. If you asked me in 2020 I would say a Tesla Model Y, not a chance of that happening now. Lots of great alternatives with less of the social stain.

newsclues 4y ago
What are the alternatives to Tesla you are considering?
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  Some good options in my research: Polestar Ford F150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E Chevy Bolt (I have a Volt and love that car, still sad it was discontinued) Lucid cars are beautiful and amazing, but at a luxury price point.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > Ford F150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E Wasn't Henry Ford like an actual Nazi?
    - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
      Try harder. I'm pretty positive Henry Ford isn't benefitting from sales of Fords these days.
    - alexose 4y ago
      Henry Ford died 75 years ago? Also, for what it's worth, modern-day Ford seems very much like the model of a diverse workforce.
      - rayiner 4y ago
        > very much like the model of a diverse workforce. What has Ford done to make it up to Jews? It's not like different minority groups are fungible.
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- porphyra 4y ago
  Hyundai Ioniq 5 is pretty nice if you can find one without an insane dealer markup.
  - tmikaeld 4y ago
    I tested this one and a lot of others, including the Teslas and polestar 2. The Ionic 5 was the one i was most satisfied with, it’s really spacious, has excellent range, vehicle to grid and even camping mode. With the on-screen rear mirror cameras addon, it’s really hard to beat. Unfortunately, i had to cancel my booking after the energy crisis became too severe..
- aliqot 4y ago
  Rivian truck is nice
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    Has the benefit of existing, too, which is nice.
  - luma 4y ago
    Might want to check recent news. It's questionable if Rivian is going to exist in 12 months.
    - throwawayacc3 4y ago
      >Might want to check recent news I just did: Rivian is going to meet it's target for 25,000 vehicles produced this year, Amazon is continuing to take delivery of its Rivian electric vans, and preholder count continues to grow... The only "negative" is the Mercedes-Benz deal fell apart due to some Biden administration law that passed (dodged that bullet anyway, Mercedes-Benz makes garbage vehicles). >It's questionable if Rivian is going to exist in 12 months. Heard this exact quote about Tesla quarter after quarter 8 or so years ago.
- jonathankoren 4y ago
  Porsche Taycan has had my attention for a while
  - bufferoverflow 4y ago
    That's in a completely different price category from Model Y.
    - porphyra 4y ago
      The upcoming Macan EV might be a closer match in terms of both pricing (hopefully) and utility/size. Probably still pricier than the Y though.
leesec 4y ago
The social stain is almost entirely in your head lol. No one is going to judge you for Musk's actions because you drive a Tesla
- filoleg 4y ago
  TIL there are people who actually make their car-purchasing decisions based on what people on twitter say on entirely unrelated matters. And yeah, given how widespread Teslas are where I live (if stopped at any traffic light in the city, you will see at least 2 Teslas waiting), I can confirm that absolutely no one cares.
  - spacemadness 4y ago
    Today you learned that some people try to make purchasing decisions that aren’t in great misalignment with their values?
    - filoleg 4y ago
      Nope, I always knew it was a thing. Just like there are some people who go full-on FreeBSD or categorically refuse to use non-free software. Richard Stallman exists, after all, and is a celebrity. And I also knew, for quite a while, that positions analogous to that of Stallman should never be taken at face value as something that the general public would care to even know about, let alone support or follow through. And it isn't because I am jaded or don't have faith in people, quite the opposite. It is because average people as a group tend to be pretty good at (perhaps blindly) filtering things into the "practically matters" and "doesn't ultimately matter" buckets. In relation to this specific scenario, despite the negative reaction to my initial comment on HN and Elon's public perception trending increasingly negative, recent Tesla car sales numbers (which keep increasing) seem to only support my point. People online might loudly say XYZ, but once you look at the numbers that matter, the reality looks a bit differently.
  - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
    > And yeah, given how widespread Teslas are where I live (if stopped at any traffic light in the city, you will see at least 2 Teslas waiting), I can confirm that absolutely no one cares. Well, that's obviously false give the existence proofs in these comments. But more to the point, I only went from "Ugh, Elon is so fucking annoying, I just wish he would STFU" to "I will actively try to convince anyone I know to never do anything that would contribute to his wealth" in the past year with all the Twitter BS. I'm sure the vast, vast majority of Teslas you see on the road now were ordered before then.

newsclues 4y ago

What are the alternatives to Tesla you are considering?

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
Some good options in my research: Polestar Ford F150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E Chevy Bolt (I have a Volt and love that car, still sad it was discontinued) Lucid cars are beautiful and amazing, but at a luxury price point.
- rayiner 4y ago
  > Ford F150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E Wasn't Henry Ford like an actual Nazi?
  - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
    Try harder. I'm pretty positive Henry Ford isn't benefitting from sales of Fords these days.
  - alexose 4y ago
    Henry Ford died 75 years ago? Also, for what it's worth, modern-day Ford seems very much like the model of a diverse workforce.
    - rayiner 4y ago
      > very much like the model of a diverse workforce. What has Ford done to make it up to Jews? It's not like different minority groups are fungible.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
porphyra 4y ago
Hyundai Ioniq 5 is pretty nice if you can find one without an insane dealer markup.
- tmikaeld 4y ago
  I tested this one and a lot of others, including the Teslas and polestar 2. The Ionic 5 was the one i was most satisfied with, it’s really spacious, has excellent range, vehicle to grid and even camping mode. With the on-screen rear mirror cameras addon, it’s really hard to beat. Unfortunately, i had to cancel my booking after the energy crisis became too severe..
aliqot 4y ago
Rivian truck is nice
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Has the benefit of existing, too, which is nice.
- luma 4y ago
  Might want to check recent news. It's questionable if Rivian is going to exist in 12 months.
  - throwawayacc3 4y ago
    >Might want to check recent news I just did: Rivian is going to meet it's target for 25,000 vehicles produced this year, Amazon is continuing to take delivery of its Rivian electric vans, and preholder count continues to grow... The only "negative" is the Mercedes-Benz deal fell apart due to some Biden administration law that passed (dodged that bullet anyway, Mercedes-Benz makes garbage vehicles). >It's questionable if Rivian is going to exist in 12 months. Heard this exact quote about Tesla quarter after quarter 8 or so years ago.
jonathankoren 4y ago
Porsche Taycan has had my attention for a while
- bufferoverflow 4y ago
  That's in a completely different price category from Model Y.
  - porphyra 4y ago
    The upcoming Macan EV might be a closer match in terms of both pricing (hopefully) and utility/size. Probably still pricier than the Y though.

leesec 4y ago

The social stain is almost entirely in your head lol. No one is going to judge you for Musk's actions because you drive a Tesla

filoleg 4y ago
TIL there are people who actually make their car-purchasing decisions based on what people on twitter say on entirely unrelated matters. And yeah, given how widespread Teslas are where I live (if stopped at any traffic light in the city, you will see at least 2 Teslas waiting), I can confirm that absolutely no one cares.
- spacemadness 4y ago
  Today you learned that some people try to make purchasing decisions that aren’t in great misalignment with their values?
  - filoleg 4y ago
    Nope, I always knew it was a thing. Just like there are some people who go full-on FreeBSD or categorically refuse to use non-free software. Richard Stallman exists, after all, and is a celebrity. And I also knew, for quite a while, that positions analogous to that of Stallman should never be taken at face value as something that the general public would care to even know about, let alone support or follow through. And it isn't because I am jaded or don't have faith in people, quite the opposite. It is because average people as a group tend to be pretty good at (perhaps blindly) filtering things into the "practically matters" and "doesn't ultimately matter" buckets. In relation to this specific scenario, despite the negative reaction to my initial comment on HN and Elon's public perception trending increasingly negative, recent Tesla car sales numbers (which keep increasing) seem to only support my point. People online might loudly say XYZ, but once you look at the numbers that matter, the reality looks a bit differently.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  > And yeah, given how widespread Teslas are where I live (if stopped at any traffic light in the city, you will see at least 2 Teslas waiting), I can confirm that absolutely no one cares. Well, that's obviously false give the existence proofs in these comments. But more to the point, I only went from "Ugh, Elon is so fucking annoying, I just wish he would STFU" to "I will actively try to convince anyone I know to never do anything that would contribute to his wealth" in the past year with all the Twitter BS. I'm sure the vast, vast majority of Teslas you see on the road now were ordered before then.