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To be fair, public is not the same as easily accessible.

by id 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago
It's easily accessible. Here you go: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ https://globe.adsbexchange.com/
- foobarbecue 4y ago
  I don't see Elon's plane marked.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    It's not in the air right now. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
    - foobarbecue 4y ago
      Ok, so now that you gave me the callsign, it IS effectively marked. Publishing someone's personal jet callsign should be treated similar to publishing someone's license plate number, phone number, or home address. And an organization like Twitter should have clear policies on that.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        The Senate Majority Leader's phone number is (202) 224-6542. Biden's home address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Should posting those be actionable? Musk is a public figure, using public airspace, with a legally required ADS-B device that broadcasts its location, altitude, etc. to the public.
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      - _djo_ 4y ago
        The Federal Aviation Administration publishes this data openly. So, no. https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=628TS https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul...
        foobarbecue 4y ago
        Interesting. I am surprised there is a "name" field. It has some random holding company ... but if you're an individual not playing the shell game, are you required to put your actual name there? Or is there an option not to?
        _djo_ 4y ago
        If you own an aircraft as an individual then your actual name must be listed.
        foobarbecue 4y ago
        Wow, ok. You really can search by people's first name and last name, and tail numbers come up. I'm surprised. I just assumed it was like license plate numbers; my bad.
      - foobarbecue 4y ago
        Yikes, people. I didn't say twitter should ban posting license plates and airplane tail numbers, I was just saying those things are pretty equivalent and there should be a clear policy on it that is followed consistently.
        foobarbecue 4y ago
        And now I realize they aren't equivalent, because FAA publishes owner names for tail numbers, unlike license plate and VIN numbers. I'm surprised.
- wizeman 4y ago
  How do you know which of those 10,000 airplanes is Elon Musk's jet? I've searched for "Elon Musk jet callsign" but apart from the mentioned twitter account, I couldn't easily find out which one it was.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > apart from the mentioned twitter account The one covered in the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-...), Musk has publicly tweeted about (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456), offered $50k to remove (https://www.protocol.com/elon-musk-flight-tracker https://www.protocol.com/elon-musk-flight-tracker), and of a plane registered to "Falcon Landing LLC" at "1 Rocket Road, Hawthorne CA" (https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=628TS https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul...)? C'mon. We know it's his jet.
    - wizeman 4y ago
      > C'mon. We know it's his jet. Yes, we know. Because of the twitter account. My point is that it would be much harder to know which airplane is Elon's jet if it weren't for the twitter account. Which goes to the gp's point that even if the data is public, making it easily accessible increases Elon's personal safety risk. That said, the NYT story does seem to make my point a bit moot. In any case, I wasn't aware of that story, and it didn't come up when I searched for "Elon Musk jet callsign". Although I would guess a determined attacker could find it out given sufficient research.
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      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        > Although I would guess a determined attacker could find it out given sufficient research. You don't have to be determined; a college freshman on a lark found Musk, Gates, etc. and made Twitter accounts. This information is intentionally public; you can browse recent plane registrations at https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/RecentRegistrationResult https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/RecentRegist..., export it to CSV, with full name and address of each owner. I get a text message whenever my dad is seen in the air. @elonjet isn't the problem here. (IMO, there isn't a problem.)

To be fair, public is not the same as easily accessible.

by id 4y ago

To be fair, public is not the same as easily accessible.

ceejayoz 4y ago

It's easily accessible. Here you go: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

foobarbecue 4y ago
I don't see Elon's plane marked.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  It's not in the air right now. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
  - foobarbecue 4y ago
    Ok, so now that you gave me the callsign, it IS effectively marked. Publishing someone's personal jet callsign should be treated similar to publishing someone's license plate number, phone number, or home address. And an organization like Twitter should have clear policies on that.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      The Senate Majority Leader's phone number is (202) 224-6542. Biden's home address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Should posting those be actionable? Musk is a public figure, using public airspace, with a legally required ADS-B device that broadcasts its location, altitude, etc. to the public.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
    - _djo_ 4y ago
      The Federal Aviation Administration publishes this data openly. So, no. https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=628TS https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul...
      - foobarbecue 4y ago
        Interesting. I am surprised there is a "name" field. It has some random holding company ... but if you're an individual not playing the shell game, are you required to put your actual name there? Or is there an option not to?
        _djo_ 4y ago
        If you own an aircraft as an individual then your actual name must be listed.
      - foobarbecue 4y ago
        Wow, ok. You really can search by people's first name and last name, and tail numbers come up. I'm surprised. I just assumed it was like license plate numbers; my bad.
    - foobarbecue 4y ago
      Yikes, people. I didn't say twitter should ban posting license plates and airplane tail numbers, I was just saying those things are pretty equivalent and there should be a clear policy on it that is followed consistently.
      - foobarbecue 4y ago
        And now I realize they aren't equivalent, because FAA publishes owner names for tail numbers, unlike license plate and VIN numbers. I'm surprised.
wizeman 4y ago
How do you know which of those 10,000 airplanes is Elon Musk's jet? I've searched for "Elon Musk jet callsign" but apart from the mentioned twitter account, I couldn't easily find out which one it was.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > apart from the mentioned twitter account The one covered in the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-...), Musk has publicly tweeted about (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456), offered $50k to remove (https://www.protocol.com/elon-musk-flight-tracker https://www.protocol.com/elon-musk-flight-tracker), and of a plane registered to "Falcon Landing LLC" at "1 Rocket Road, Hawthorne CA" (https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult?NNumberTxt=628TS https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul...)? C'mon. We know it's his jet.
  - wizeman 4y ago
    > C'mon. We know it's his jet. Yes, we know. Because of the twitter account. My point is that it would be much harder to know which airplane is Elon's jet if it weren't for the twitter account. Which goes to the gp's point that even if the data is public, making it easily accessible increases Elon's personal safety risk. That said, the NYT story does seem to make my point a bit moot. In any case, I wasn't aware of that story, and it didn't come up when I searched for "Elon Musk jet callsign". Although I would guess a determined attacker could find it out given sufficient research.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      > Although I would guess a determined attacker could find it out given sufficient research. You don't have to be determined; a college freshman on a lark found Musk, Gates, etc. and made Twitter accounts. This information is intentionally public; you can browse recent plane registrations at https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/RecentRegistrationResult https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/RecentRegist..., export it to CSV, with full name and address of each owner. I get a text message whenever my dad is seen in the air. @elonjet isn't the problem here. (IMO, there isn't a problem.)