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If it is 8.5 billion light years away and was traveling at the speed of light (100% instead of 99.99%) wouldn't it take 8.5 billion light years? Wonder how you

by 22SAS 4y ago

If it is 8.5 billion light years away and was traveling at the speed of light (100% instead of 99.99%) wouldn't it take 8.5 billion light years? Wonder how you got to the 850K years figure.

monocasa 4y ago
They're saying the difference between the time the light gets here and the particles 'only' going 99.9% of C is 850K years back of the napkin.
Victerius 4y ago
By his logic, an object moving at 0% of the speed of light would arrive instantly.
- alanbernstein 4y ago
  An object moving 0% slower than the speed of light would arrive instantly after the light arrives, yes.
umvi 4y ago
> wouldn't it take 8.5 billion [years]? Yes, if you are assuming the jet was emitted right now. But the jet was emitted roughly 8.5 billion years ago. The light in front of the jet has already reached us. If the jet were also travelling at the speed of light we'd be dead right now. But luckily it's travelling slower than light so that's why we have 850k more years before the jet reaches us.
- darawk 4y ago
  Would we actually? If so, doesn't this imply that the probability of earth just having been destroyed by one of these things was roughly a coin flip, and therefore gives us a (much higher) rough estimate of how likely such an event might be?
- 22SAS 4y ago
  > If the jet were also travelling at the speed of light we'd be dead right now Does that mean, once the jet reaches us 850K years from now, we can say that will be a mass extinction event, or even the end of life on Earth? Compared to a billion years from now when the Sun's luminosity increases.
  - cthalupa 4y ago
    No. The matter in these jets isn't like a spaceship where the matter is all connected together. It's largely individual plasma particles - over billions of light years they'll run into other particles, be deflected, slow down, etc. There IS friction in space. Matter decay will have significant impact on the mass of matter ejected by the jet, as well, particularly over billions of years. As it decays into a lower energy state, mass will be turned into photons, and less and less of it will be left to impact. Plus, we won't be in the same spot in 850k years anyway. The solar system is moving around the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving around the universe, and space in the universe is expanding.
    - 22SAS 4y ago
      Interesting, thank you very much.

by 22SAS 4y ago

If it is 8.5 billion light years away and was traveling at the speed of light (100% instead of 99.99%) wouldn't it take 8.5 billion light years? Wonder how you got to the 850K years figure.

monocasa 4y ago

They're saying the difference between the time the light gets here and the particles 'only' going 99.9% of C is 850K years back of the napkin.

Victerius 4y ago

By his logic, an object moving at 0% of the speed of light would arrive instantly.

alanbernstein 4y ago
An object moving 0% slower than the speed of light would arrive instantly after the light arrives, yes.

umvi 4y ago

> wouldn't it take 8.5 billion [years]? Yes, if you are assuming the jet was emitted right now. But the jet was emitted roughly 8.5 billion years ago. The light in front of the jet has already reached us. If the jet were also travelling at the speed of light we'd be dead right now. But luckily it's travelling slower than light so that's why we have 850k more years before the jet reaches us.

darawk 4y ago
Would we actually? If so, doesn't this imply that the probability of earth just having been destroyed by one of these things was roughly a coin flip, and therefore gives us a (much higher) rough estimate of how likely such an event might be?
22SAS 4y ago
> If the jet were also travelling at the speed of light we'd be dead right now Does that mean, once the jet reaches us 850K years from now, we can say that will be a mass extinction event, or even the end of life on Earth? Compared to a billion years from now when the Sun's luminosity increases.
- cthalupa 4y ago
  No. The matter in these jets isn't like a spaceship where the matter is all connected together. It's largely individual plasma particles - over billions of light years they'll run into other particles, be deflected, slow down, etc. There IS friction in space. Matter decay will have significant impact on the mass of matter ejected by the jet, as well, particularly over billions of years. As it decays into a lower energy state, mass will be turned into photons, and less and less of it will be left to impact. Plus, we won't be in the same spot in 850k years anyway. The solar system is moving around the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving around the universe, and space in the universe is expanding.
  - 22SAS 4y ago
    Interesting, thank you very much.