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Google has models that are at parity with or outperform OpenAIs models at most tasks, they just don’t bring them to market quickly or build their brand around t

Google has models that are at parity with or outperform OpenAIs models at most tasks, they just don’t bring them to market quickly or build their brand around them as strongly as OpenAI does. See Imagen for example - https://imagen.research.google/ https://imagen.research.google/ If Google is to be believed, this outperforms Dall-E - and I’ve heard from people that use it that in general, it does perform better than Dall-E.

echelon 4y ago
Doesn't do them any good to do nothing with it. I don't get Google's brand or leadership anymore. They're staring disruption to their core revenue stream in the face and acting like the "everything is fine" dog. Meanwhile Microsoft is playing dimensional chess across multiple industries and key developing areas of research.
- joewhatkins 4y ago
  It's very possible they are doing something with them, just not the sort of thing OpenAI is doing. Google could have a model just as capable as Whisper running in their Google Cloud or Assistant transcription service - but they might have upgraded from their previous model without any announcement or blog post. Are you saying they should have more bombast in their product announcements?
- janalsncm 4y ago
  It’s quite simple, actually. State of the art research gets attention and attracts top tier researchers. As long as they’re working for Google they’re not working for Bing. The research is sometimes useful but even if it’s not it is red meat for their researchers. However although the models of today are interesting, they’re not consistent enough for many business applications. It’s not good enough to generate realistic cartoon characters most of the time but sometimes they randomly have 4 arms. Or you have a language model that can say interesting things but can’t be relied upon for basic facts. Maybe some day we will be there but not today.
espadrine 4y ago
> If Google is to be believed, this outperforms Dall-E - and I’ve heard from people that use it that in general, it does perform better than Dall-E. Google actually surpassed its own model[0], first with Parti[1], which unlike DALL-E could even correctly insert text in the image, then with Imagen Video[2], which does as the name implies. [0]: https://paperswithcode.com/sota/text-to-image-generation-on-coco https://paperswithcode.com/sota/text-to-image-generation-on-... [1]: https://parti.research.google/ https://parti.research.google/ [2]: https://imagen.research.google/video/ https://imagen.research.google/video/

echelon 4y ago

Doesn't do them any good to do nothing with it. I don't get Google's brand or leadership anymore. They're staring disruption to their core revenue stream in the face and acting like the "everything is fine" dog. Meanwhile Microsoft is playing dimensional chess across multiple industries and key developing areas of research.

joewhatkins 4y ago
It's very possible they are doing something with them, just not the sort of thing OpenAI is doing. Google could have a model just as capable as Whisper running in their Google Cloud or Assistant transcription service - but they might have upgraded from their previous model without any announcement or blog post. Are you saying they should have more bombast in their product announcements?
janalsncm 4y ago
It’s quite simple, actually. State of the art research gets attention and attracts top tier researchers. As long as they’re working for Google they’re not working for Bing. The research is sometimes useful but even if it’s not it is red meat for their researchers. However although the models of today are interesting, they’re not consistent enough for many business applications. It’s not good enough to generate realistic cartoon characters most of the time but sometimes they randomly have 4 arms. Or you have a language model that can say interesting things but can’t be relied upon for basic facts. Maybe some day we will be there but not today.

espadrine 4y ago

> If Google is to be believed, this outperforms Dall-E - and I’ve heard from people that use it that in general, it does perform better than Dall-E. Google actually surpassed its own model[0], first with Parti[1], which unlike DALL-E could even correctly insert text in the image, then with Imagen Video[2], which does as the name implies. [0]: https://paperswithcode.com/sota/text-to-image-generation-on-coco https://paperswithcode.com/sota/text-to-image-generation-on-... [1]: https://parti.research.google/ https://parti.research.google/ [2]: https://imagen.research.google/video/ https://imagen.research.google/video/