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I don't have a dog in this fight, but just to answer the question. https://elonsbrokenpromises.com https://elonsbrokenpromises.com and https://elonmusk.today ht

I don't have a dog in this fight, but just to answer the question. https://elonsbrokenpromises.com https://elonsbrokenpromises.com and https://elonmusk.today https://elonmusk.today have examples of promises Elon has made that have not come to pass.

nelsonic 4y ago
Superb! Thank you! This is exactly what I was after. Reading now. Edit: The first one: “Short via long dated put options” … Is it not a conflict of interest for someone who is shorting Tesla to maintain an “elonmusklies.com” website? Or is the disclosure of their short position enough to excuse their bias? Continuing to read …
epgui 4y ago
Do you realize that claims about how the future will unfold are speculative? Why is Elon held to such an impossibly high standard when he makes obviously-speculative projections about what he thinks will happen in the future? Everyone knows he's over-ambitious and over-optimistic about deadlines, but why are we framing that "failure to accurately predict the future" or "failure to estimate a correct timeline" as broken promises and lies? What if we held all of us engineers, tech managers, etc, to the same impossibly high standard? You may not have a dog in this fight, but these two websites are a little dishonest about how they frame things. Also there's a clear conflict of interest, because they're disclosing a short interest in the stock.
- oxplot 4y ago
  > Why is Elon held to such an impossibly high standard when he makes obviously-speculative projections about what he thinks will happen in the future? It's because he actually makes these projections while all the other CEOs are tight lipped. Elon is also right on Twitter, loud and center. It takes rational thinking to understand that what he says are speculative projections.
  - epgui 4y ago
    I mean I get that, and personally I think it would be in his best interest to, uh... speak less, sometimes. But IMO that's a very different criticism.

nelsonic 4y ago

Superb! Thank you! This is exactly what I was after. Reading now. Edit: The first one: “Short via long dated put options” … Is it not a conflict of interest for someone who is shorting Tesla to maintain an “elonmusklies.com” website? Or is the disclosure of their short position enough to excuse their bias? Continuing to read …

epgui 4y ago

Do you realize that claims about how the future will unfold are speculative? Why is Elon held to such an impossibly high standard when he makes obviously-speculative projections about what he thinks will happen in the future? Everyone knows he's over-ambitious and over-optimistic about deadlines, but why are we framing that "failure to accurately predict the future" or "failure to estimate a correct timeline" as broken promises and lies? What if we held all of us engineers, tech managers, etc, to the same impossibly high standard? You may not have a dog in this fight, but these two websites are a little dishonest about how they frame things. Also there's a clear conflict of interest, because they're disclosing a short interest in the stock.

oxplot 4y ago
> Why is Elon held to such an impossibly high standard when he makes obviously-speculative projections about what he thinks will happen in the future? It's because he actually makes these projections while all the other CEOs are tight lipped. Elon is also right on Twitter, loud and center. It takes rational thinking to understand that what he says are speculative projections.
- epgui 4y ago
  I mean I get that, and personally I think it would be in his best interest to, uh... speak less, sometimes. But IMO that's a very different criticism.