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The main issue to me seems to be sideloading apps, playstore apps seem to be protected. Sideloaded apps could be anything since its the app key that is compromi

The main issue to me seems to be sideloading apps, playstore apps seem to be protected. Sideloaded apps could be anything since its the app key that is compromised.

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svnpenn 4y ago
> The main issue to me seems to be sideloading apps I think you could phrase that better. Sideloading apps is not an "issue", it's an incredibly important tool that developers can use to audit the behavior of apps.
- bitwize 4y ago
  Google could do what Apple does, and allow sideloading for a limited time only to those with a paid developer account. With the continuing security problems, it is increasingly being proven out that Apple got the app ecosystem right, from the get-go, with their walled garden approach. The benefits of such vastly outweigh the costs to a few tinkerers (and malicious actors) when you're building a product for the average bear.
  - orangecat 4y ago
    I continue to be astounded when seeing takes like this on a site called Hacker News. If this had been the attitude in the 80s and 90s, we'd be in a Microsoft (or IBM) monoculture today and the web wouldn't exist.
  - svnpenn 4y ago
    > Google could do what Apple does, and allow sideloading for a limited time only to those with a paid developer account. that is the worst idea I have heard in a long time. what happens to developers, like me, that cannot afford a "paid developer account"? and whats to stop Google (or Apple) from raising the fee so high that it prices out important people from the process?
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    No need to be so draconian. Security should be built to protect users, not Apple's profits. Play Protect could easily flag the APK downloaded outside the Play Store with Samsung's keys and prevent install.
  - alexdbird 4y ago
    > allow sideloading for a limited time only to those with a paid developer account. I think this is confusingly phrased and the replies relate to that confusion. A free Apple developer account allows 'sideloading' for a limited time, currently a week IIRC, and a paid account extends this to a year, which is technically limited but probably not what most people would understand by the phrase.
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    Anybody can sideload without a developer account, but your phone will have to connect to your home WiFi network at least once a week for your PC or Mac to keep the app on your phone authorized. If you do have a developer account, your device only has to connect to your home WiFi network once a year for your computer to keep the app authorized.
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  - TheBrokenRail 4y ago
    Apple doing what they do is the main reason I will never buy an iPhone. It's my phone and I should be able to install whatever I want on it.
  - kelnos 4y ago
    No thanks, hard pass. A big reason I use Android rather than iOS is because I can install whatever I want on the hardware I've purchased. I put up with Android's worse security posture because I value this.

The main issue to me seems to be sideloading apps, playstore apps seem to be protected. Sideloaded apps could be anything since its the app key that is compromised.

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svnpenn 4y ago

> The main issue to me seems to be sideloading apps I think you could phrase that better. Sideloading apps is not an "issue", it's an incredibly important tool that developers can use to audit the behavior of apps.

bitwize 4y ago
Google could do what Apple does, and allow sideloading for a limited time only to those with a paid developer account. With the continuing security problems, it is increasingly being proven out that Apple got the app ecosystem right, from the get-go, with their walled garden approach. The benefits of such vastly outweigh the costs to a few tinkerers (and malicious actors) when you're building a product for the average bear.
- orangecat 4y ago
  I continue to be astounded when seeing takes like this on a site called Hacker News. If this had been the attitude in the 80s and 90s, we'd be in a Microsoft (or IBM) monoculture today and the web wouldn't exist.
- svnpenn 4y ago
  > Google could do what Apple does, and allow sideloading for a limited time only to those with a paid developer account. that is the worst idea I have heard in a long time. what happens to developers, like me, that cannot afford a "paid developer account"? and whats to stop Google (or Apple) from raising the fee so high that it prices out important people from the process?
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  No need to be so draconian. Security should be built to protect users, not Apple's profits. Play Protect could easily flag the APK downloaded outside the Play Store with Samsung's keys and prevent install.
- alexdbird 4y ago
  > allow sideloading for a limited time only to those with a paid developer account. I think this is confusingly phrased and the replies relate to that confusion. A free Apple developer account allows 'sideloading' for a limited time, currently a week IIRC, and a paid account extends this to a year, which is technically limited but probably not what most people would understand by the phrase.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  Anybody can sideload without a developer account, but your phone will have to connect to your home WiFi network at least once a week for your PC or Mac to keep the app on your phone authorized. If you do have a developer account, your device only has to connect to your home WiFi network once a year for your computer to keep the app authorized.
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- TheBrokenRail 4y ago
  Apple doing what they do is the main reason I will never buy an iPhone. It's my phone and I should be able to install whatever I want on it.
- kelnos 4y ago
  No thanks, hard pass. A big reason I use Android rather than iOS is because I can install whatever I want on the hardware I've purchased. I put up with Android's worse security posture because I value this.