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No they don't. They don't replace ads, that's a lie, stop repeating it here please. The Brave rewards are system OS text notifications that you can OPT IN to.

No they don't. They don't replace ads, that's a lie, stop repeating it here please. The Brave rewards are system OS text notifications that you can OPT IN to. In no way do they replace banner ads on websites.

skinnymuch 4y ago
They could have meant when Brave swapped affiliate links before the backlash had them backtrack. Which was a wild thing to do. Blocking ads in your browser while charging to not show ads is also pretty wild. Why doesn’t their ad blocker block their ads?
- BrendanEich 4y ago
  You're wrong on "refgate", see https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1360780527100338177 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1360780527100338177. We do block our own search ads if Brave Shields is set to Aggressive mode, same as with other search engines and UGC social platforms. What else you got?
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Oh wow. So much time had passed since that. I remember seeing the details after I had made the negative connection between Brave and “refgate”. Especially the HN thread at the time was chaotic. That negative connotation never left. Wish I could edit or delete my post. Sorry.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  I doubt that. They said replace ads, not add affiliates, those are different words entirely. The "ad replacing" is a common lie. Just don't use Brave search, the separate product. Or you know, add the blocking rules yourself to the ad blocker, that works. Or you know, pay the $3 dollars to support the thing you use. Most of the people complaining here don't actually care about this. This is all just a proxy war to go against Eich for his beliefs. It happens every Brave thread, pretty transparent and pathetic.
  - Semaphor 4y ago
    > This is all just a proxy war to go against Eich for his beliefs. Of course. Just like I war against your beliefs, whatever they may be. I war against all the beliefs.
- soundnote 4y ago
  They didn't replace affiliate links. They had a feature similar to Firefox Suggest or whatever's in Chrome/Edge nowadays I think. They had a deal with eg. Binance, and if you typed Binance in the address bar, their Binance promo would show up as one of the results. They had a bug in it where if you typed a valid URL (eg. binance.us) it'd still give the sponsored link as an autocomplete which it shouldn't have. That bug stood for one day, if memory serves, and the feature was turned off by default.
asadotzler 4y ago
Replacement doesn't imply a reuse of a specific location. Taking an ad out your browser and placing a different ad on your desktop is still replacement. Do you really not understand that advertising isn't about space in physical world, but about space in your mind? What brave does is absolutely replacement. They replace a bit of light that was emanating from one part of your device's screen to invade your attention to make some other party money with a bit of light that emanates from a different part of your device's screen to invade your attention to make them money. How in the world is that not "replacement"?
- BrendanEich 4y ago
  Hi Asa, macOS dictionary says re·place /rəˈplās/ verb 1. take the place of. "Ian's smile was replaced by a frown" 2. put (something) back in a previous place or position. "he drained his glass and replaced it on the bar" Notice the use of place and position. If you say we "replace ads", I think you are misusing the word replace. I hope you won't from here on, because we definitely still get smeared with the lie that we replace ads in-situ in publisher pages.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  Brave has a built in adblocker for the user that is on by default. Brave also has a rewards program the user can opt-in to get scheduled text notifications on their system. I could see your point somewhat if their rewards system was opt-out or tied to whether the adblocker was on, but it's not.
Semaphor 4y ago
Maybe they never activated it, but they certainly planned to do so: https://brave.com/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-deal-for-publishers/ https://brave.com/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-deal-f... I didn’t follow up on details on this, so I guess they changed their plans, that still tells me what they think about ads.

skinnymuch 4y ago

They could have meant when Brave swapped affiliate links before the backlash had them backtrack. Which was a wild thing to do. Blocking ads in your browser while charging to not show ads is also pretty wild. Why doesn’t their ad blocker block their ads?

BrendanEich 4y ago
You're wrong on "refgate", see https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1360780527100338177 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1360780527100338177. We do block our own search ads if Brave Shields is set to Aggressive mode, same as with other search engines and UGC social platforms. What else you got?
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  Oh wow. So much time had passed since that. I remember seeing the details after I had made the negative connection between Brave and “refgate”. Especially the HN thread at the time was chaotic. That negative connotation never left. Wish I could edit or delete my post. Sorry.
hunterb123 4y ago
I doubt that. They said replace ads, not add affiliates, those are different words entirely. The "ad replacing" is a common lie. Just don't use Brave search, the separate product. Or you know, add the blocking rules yourself to the ad blocker, that works. Or you know, pay the $3 dollars to support the thing you use. Most of the people complaining here don't actually care about this. This is all just a proxy war to go against Eich for his beliefs. It happens every Brave thread, pretty transparent and pathetic.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  > This is all just a proxy war to go against Eich for his beliefs. Of course. Just like I war against your beliefs, whatever they may be. I war against all the beliefs.
soundnote 4y ago
They didn't replace affiliate links. They had a feature similar to Firefox Suggest or whatever's in Chrome/Edge nowadays I think. They had a deal with eg. Binance, and if you typed Binance in the address bar, their Binance promo would show up as one of the results. They had a bug in it where if you typed a valid URL (eg. binance.us) it'd still give the sponsored link as an autocomplete which it shouldn't have. That bug stood for one day, if memory serves, and the feature was turned off by default.

asadotzler 4y ago

Replacement doesn't imply a reuse of a specific location. Taking an ad out your browser and placing a different ad on your desktop is still replacement. Do you really not understand that advertising isn't about space in physical world, but about space in your mind? What brave does is absolutely replacement. They replace a bit of light that was emanating from one part of your device's screen to invade your attention to make some other party money with a bit of light that emanates from a different part of your device's screen to invade your attention to make them money. How in the world is that not "replacement"?

BrendanEich 4y ago
Hi Asa, macOS dictionary says re·place /rəˈplās/ verb 1. take the place of. "Ian's smile was replaced by a frown" 2. put (something) back in a previous place or position. "he drained his glass and replaced it on the bar" Notice the use of place and position. If you say we "replace ads", I think you are misusing the word replace. I hope you won't from here on, because we definitely still get smeared with the lie that we replace ads in-situ in publisher pages.
hunterb123 4y ago
Brave has a built in adblocker for the user that is on by default. Brave also has a rewards program the user can opt-in to get scheduled text notifications on their system. I could see your point somewhat if their rewards system was opt-out or tied to whether the adblocker was on, but it's not.

Semaphor 4y ago

Maybe they never activated it, but they certainly planned to do so: https://brave.com/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-deal-for-publishers/ https://brave.com/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-deal-f... I didn’t follow up on details on this, so I guess they changed their plans, that still tells me what they think about ads.