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it doesn't fit in 3MB. you can see the model sizes here: https://gist.github.com/jelmervdl/1a48816e4c3643ff5d9e1fd6821bc499 https://gist.github.com/jelmervdl/1

it doesn't fit in 3MB. you can see the model sizes here: https://gist.github.com/jelmervdl/1a48816e4c3643ff5d9e1fd6821bc499 https://gist.github.com/jelmervdl/1a48816e4c3643ff5d9e1fd682... they are like 15MB per language pair each way

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Still impressive. It works pretty well and without that cloud that Google likes to tell us we really need. Google is a bit better of course with many common expressions but I'm sure that can run locally too if they'd want to. Mozilla just has don't catching up to do because they don't monetize our data. So less budget to work with.
- MMAesawy 4y ago
  With the Google Translate app you have the option to download languages for offline use, and it's not hidden behind 10 menus or anything.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    But does Google upload what you translate later? And hard to stop it from using wifi when it's available. Google Translate has its uses, but nice to have an offline (as in... uhhh free speech?) translator as an option. Would be cool to have Firefox Translations integrated into TOR.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      > But does Google upload what you translate later? If you use Google Translate, of course it does because everything is done on their servers > Would be cool to have Firefox Translations integrated into TOR. Tor Browser is just a forked firefox so this should not be too difficult. I believe they disable addons by default because they can leak data and they can't check all addons for this. Not sure if you can switch it back on though. I suppose they could validate this one as it's so important. I would recommend submitting a feature request to the tor project.
      - mananaysiempre 4y ago
        >> But does Google upload what you translate later? > If you use Google Translate, of course it does because everything is done on their servers As mentioned by GGP, the Google Translate app for Android (at least) allows you to download the model for a given language (pair?), after which you no longer need any kind of Internet connection to translate. That implies everything is done locally, not on Google’s servers. GP’s question was whether the app will still save your queries and submit them once a connection becomes available just to scratch that data collection itch.
        Scoundreller 4y ago
        this
        GekkePrutser 4y ago
        Ah ok I missed the app part, I was still thinking about web.
        darren_ 4y ago
        > GP’s question was whether the app will still save your queries and submit them once a connection becomes available just to scratch that data collection itch. disclaimer: googler This can be tested. Translate shows up in your Google 'My Activity' page, so you can do some offline translations, then switch the network back on, and see if the translations show up in My Activity. Assuming you can trust the My Activity page to be complete and accurate (my opinion is you can, but i would say that) and FTR: I've actually just tried it and offline translations do not show up in my activity so I highly doubt they're being surreptitiously uploaded.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        >As mentioned by GGP, the Google Translate app for Android (at least) allows you to download the model for a given language (pair?), after which you no longer need any kind of Internet connection to translate. This isn't true. Google claims this, but it just doesn't work that way: I've had many, many cases of trying to translate stuff with a bad cellular data connection and it doesn't work, even though I have the language pack downloaded.
  - ale42 4y ago
    So they can definitely do it. But they don't it for Chrome. Guess why?
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  As far as I could tell this is the engine powering this: https://github.com/marian-nmt/marian-dev/ https://github.com/marian-nmt/marian-dev/ It’s compiled c++ running using wasm.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > Still impressive. It works pretty well and without that cloud that Google likes to tell us we really need. This is still using Google's cloud to host the models and your browser has to repeatedly download them on demand. We shouldn't need to depend on Google at all, but with Firefox Translations we still do and they're still collecting data about us.
  - vanderZwan 4y ago
    > your browser has to repeatedly download them on demand. Mine downloaded it once, didn't notice it happening after that.
    - andrenatalbr 4y ago
      You are right in your statement: the models are downloaded only once and cached. If that's not the case for some users, it should be filed as an issue
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago
        But what about updates? I assume they need to be updated once in a while?
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
        andrenatalbr 4y ago
        We retrain models as we get new datasets and only if they improve, which is not common. So far we haven't updated any model. When it's time, then yes, they will be updated, but it's definitely not a frequent process.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Yeah they should just use another cloud to serve the files. Using your main competitor is really disingenous, because they can glance all kinds of usage data from it (if not more) I'm not sure why this is done because this kind of filehosting is easily replaced by something more privacy-friendly.
midoridensha 4y ago
That's still very small. Pretty soon, we'll have universal translator chips installed in our heads.
- dt3ft 4y ago
  Or a fish in our ears?

GekkePrutser 4y ago

Still impressive. It works pretty well and without that cloud that Google likes to tell us we really need. Google is a bit better of course with many common expressions but I'm sure that can run locally too if they'd want to. Mozilla just has don't catching up to do because they don't monetize our data. So less budget to work with.

MMAesawy 4y ago
With the Google Translate app you have the option to download languages for offline use, and it's not hidden behind 10 menus or anything.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  But does Google upload what you translate later? And hard to stop it from using wifi when it's available. Google Translate has its uses, but nice to have an offline (as in... uhhh free speech?) translator as an option. Would be cool to have Firefox Translations integrated into TOR.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    > But does Google upload what you translate later? If you use Google Translate, of course it does because everything is done on their servers > Would be cool to have Firefox Translations integrated into TOR. Tor Browser is just a forked firefox so this should not be too difficult. I believe they disable addons by default because they can leak data and they can't check all addons for this. Not sure if you can switch it back on though. I suppose they could validate this one as it's so important. I would recommend submitting a feature request to the tor project.
    - mananaysiempre 4y ago
      >> But does Google upload what you translate later? > If you use Google Translate, of course it does because everything is done on their servers As mentioned by GGP, the Google Translate app for Android (at least) allows you to download the model for a given language (pair?), after which you no longer need any kind of Internet connection to translate. That implies everything is done locally, not on Google’s servers. GP’s question was whether the app will still save your queries and submit them once a connection becomes available just to scratch that data collection itch.
      - Scoundreller 4y ago
        this
        GekkePrutser 4y ago
        Ah ok I missed the app part, I was still thinking about web.
      - darren_ 4y ago
        > GP’s question was whether the app will still save your queries and submit them once a connection becomes available just to scratch that data collection itch. disclaimer: googler This can be tested. Translate shows up in your Google 'My Activity' page, so you can do some offline translations, then switch the network back on, and see if the translations show up in My Activity. Assuming you can trust the My Activity page to be complete and accurate (my opinion is you can, but i would say that) and FTR: I've actually just tried it and offline translations do not show up in my activity so I highly doubt they're being surreptitiously uploaded.
      - midoridensha 4y ago
        >As mentioned by GGP, the Google Translate app for Android (at least) allows you to download the model for a given language (pair?), after which you no longer need any kind of Internet connection to translate. This isn't true. Google claims this, but it just doesn't work that way: I've had many, many cases of trying to translate stuff with a bad cellular data connection and it doesn't work, even though I have the language pack downloaded.
- ale42 4y ago
  So they can definitely do it. But they don't it for Chrome. Guess why?
tinus_hn 4y ago
As far as I could tell this is the engine powering this: https://github.com/marian-nmt/marian-dev/ https://github.com/marian-nmt/marian-dev/ It’s compiled c++ running using wasm.
autoexec 4y ago
> Still impressive. It works pretty well and without that cloud that Google likes to tell us we really need. This is still using Google's cloud to host the models and your browser has to repeatedly download them on demand. We shouldn't need to depend on Google at all, but with Firefox Translations we still do and they're still collecting data about us.
- vanderZwan 4y ago
  > your browser has to repeatedly download them on demand. Mine downloaded it once, didn't notice it happening after that.
  - andrenatalbr 4y ago
    You are right in your statement: the models are downloaded only once and cached. If that's not the case for some users, it should be filed as an issue
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      But what about updates? I assume they need to be updated once in a while?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - andrenatalbr 4y ago
        We retrain models as we get new datasets and only if they improve, which is not common. So far we haven't updated any model. When it's time, then yes, they will be updated, but it's definitely not a frequent process.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Yeah they should just use another cloud to serve the files. Using your main competitor is really disingenous, because they can glance all kinds of usage data from it (if not more) I'm not sure why this is done because this kind of filehosting is easily replaced by something more privacy-friendly.

midoridensha 4y ago

That's still very small. Pretty soon, we'll have universal translator chips installed in our heads.

dt3ft 4y ago
Or a fish in our ears?