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Nice to read something constructive and informative besides all the hate PHP has been getting lately.

by nixle 15y ago

SomeOtherGuy 15y ago
What do you mean lately? PHP has gotten tons of well deserved criticism since it was created. It isn't "hate" to point out that a popular language is much worse than many other comparable languages.
- maratd 15y ago
  When that "well deserved criticism" comes from the same people who feel compelled to post in every PHP thread, obsessively, over and over again ... it's hate. Hate isn't inherently negative. You can hate evil, etc. However, if you hate a programming language ... there's really something wrong with you. It suggests a very sheltered life. There are far more important things in life that deserve your hatred.
  - SomeOtherGuy 15y ago
    >When that "well deserved criticism" comes from the same people who feel compelled to post in every PHP thread, obsessively, over and over again ... it's hate. No, you choose to label someone else's opinion as "hate" because it lets you dismiss it and throw out baseless insults at those people with less risk of getting taken to task for it. You told other people (theoretical people at that) what they think, and then told them there is something wrong with them and they lead sheltered lives. How incredibly arrogant.
  - dmansen 15y ago
    I think something that forces me, almost daily, to waste my time dealing with problems that are simply nonexistent in more sane languages deserves my hatred. (And I have a LOT of hatred for it!)
    - tabbyjabby 15y ago
      What are some of the problems you deal with when coding PHP on a daily basis?
- rickmb 15y ago
  It becomes "hate" when the criticism is ill-informed and largely irrelevant. The bits of PHP that are "much worse" are mostly either legacy cruft that nobody in their right mind uses anymore, or bits are rarely touched in day to day programming but are safely wrapped in frameworks, ORM's, libraries etcetera. Beyond that, PHP simply isn't particularly elegant (mostly since it was never really designed to be a programming language), and we all know it. Other than that, I rarely see any relevant criticism, let alone constructive criticism.
  - SomeOtherGuy 15y ago
    >The bits of PHP that are "much worse" are mostly either legacy cruft that nobody in their right mind uses anymore, or bits are rarely touched in day to day programming but are safely wrapped in frameworks, ORM's, libraries etcetera. Huh? The article in question demonstrates otherwise, note they just now fixed one of the problems with anon functions, a relatively new feature. PHP continues along the path of adding "features" randomly and without even understanding the purpose behind the feature, and so you get half-features that kinda work and don't really solve any problem in the context of PHP, but were just added so they could check off "some feature we don't understand" on the feature list. >Other than that, I rarely see any relevant criticism, let alone constructive criticism. In the context of PHP, I think "you should use a better language" is as constructive as you can really get. There's nothing wrong with warning new web developers that PHP is worse than every other language that lives at the same sort of level (perl, python, ruby, pike, etc).
    - lonnyk 15y ago
      >PHP continues along the path of adding "features" randomly and without even understanding the purpose behind the feature, and so you get half-features that kinda work and don't really solve any problem in the context of PHP, but were just added so they could check off "some feature we don't understand" on the feature list. This is not how features get added to PHP. Please spend some time on the PHP mailing list if you would like to know how it works.
      - 15y ago

Nice to read something constructive and informative besides all the hate PHP has been getting lately.

by nixle 15y ago

Nice to read something constructive and informative besides all the hate PHP has been getting lately.

What do you mean lately? PHP has gotten tons of well deserved criticism since it was created. It isn't "hate" to point out that a popular language is much worse than many other comparable languages.

maratd 15y ago
When that "well deserved criticism" comes from the same people who feel compelled to post in every PHP thread, obsessively, over and over again ... it's hate. Hate isn't inherently negative. You can hate evil, etc. However, if you hate a programming language ... there's really something wrong with you. It suggests a very sheltered life. There are far more important things in life that deserve your hatred.
- SomeOtherGuy 15y ago
  >When that "well deserved criticism" comes from the same people who feel compelled to post in every PHP thread, obsessively, over and over again ... it's hate. No, you choose to label someone else's opinion as "hate" because it lets you dismiss it and throw out baseless insults at those people with less risk of getting taken to task for it. You told other people (theoretical people at that) what they think, and then told them there is something wrong with them and they lead sheltered lives. How incredibly arrogant.
- dmansen 15y ago
  I think something that forces me, almost daily, to waste my time dealing with problems that are simply nonexistent in more sane languages deserves my hatred. (And I have a LOT of hatred for it!)
  - tabbyjabby 15y ago
    What are some of the problems you deal with when coding PHP on a daily basis?
rickmb 15y ago
It becomes "hate" when the criticism is ill-informed and largely irrelevant. The bits of PHP that are "much worse" are mostly either legacy cruft that nobody in their right mind uses anymore, or bits are rarely touched in day to day programming but are safely wrapped in frameworks, ORM's, libraries etcetera. Beyond that, PHP simply isn't particularly elegant (mostly since it was never really designed to be a programming language), and we all know it. Other than that, I rarely see any relevant criticism, let alone constructive criticism.
- SomeOtherGuy 15y ago
  >The bits of PHP that are "much worse" are mostly either legacy cruft that nobody in their right mind uses anymore, or bits are rarely touched in day to day programming but are safely wrapped in frameworks, ORM's, libraries etcetera. Huh? The article in question demonstrates otherwise, note they just now fixed one of the problems with anon functions, a relatively new feature. PHP continues along the path of adding "features" randomly and without even understanding the purpose behind the feature, and so you get half-features that kinda work and don't really solve any problem in the context of PHP, but were just added so they could check off "some feature we don't understand" on the feature list. >Other than that, I rarely see any relevant criticism, let alone constructive criticism. In the context of PHP, I think "you should use a better language" is as constructive as you can really get. There's nothing wrong with warning new web developers that PHP is worse than every other language that lives at the same sort of level (perl, python, ruby, pike, etc).
  - lonnyk 15y ago
    >PHP continues along the path of adding "features" randomly and without even understanding the purpose behind the feature, and so you get half-features that kinda work and don't really solve any problem in the context of PHP, but were just added so they could check off "some feature we don't understand" on the feature list. This is not how features get added to PHP. Please spend some time on the PHP mailing list if you would like to know how it works.
    - 15y ago