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I stopped writing PHP around 2014. I don't know if this is still true, but the impression I got at the time was that PHP is constantly trying to catch up with

I stopped writing PHP around 2014. I don't know if this is still true, but the impression I got at the time was that PHP is constantly trying to catch up with more advanced languages. There was no case I could point to and say "PHP is the best choice for this". If I want to write a highly concurrent distributed system I'll reach for Elixir/OTP. If I want high performance, I'll reach for C or Rust. If I'm working on a data science project, I'll reach for Python or R. When is PHP the language to go to?

MrStonedOne 4y ago
deleugpn 4y ago
When what you need is just to build a web product.
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  Did it catch-up with Python? Because last time I saw, it was clearly behind. (Next time I try web CRUD, I'll try it in Haskell. It seems to have let the more traditional languages behind.)
  - Giorgi 4y ago
    you are missing the point, all the shared webhosts out there support PHP+Apache+mySQL iterations, nobody is deploying python on dedicated server just because they wanted small web app.
    - marcosdumay 4y ago
      Oh, I haven't heard that one since the 00's.
    - slang800 4y ago
      There are plenty of shared webhosts that let you run whatever language you want. Fly.io, Render.com, Heroku, etc. They all let me run my code on a fraction of a dedicated server with fully managed infrastructure for a few dollars a month.
- slang800 4y ago
  I think the general "web product building" space is even more competitive with tons of good choices. You've got Ruby on Rails and Elixir/Phoenix which both have an enjoyable developer experience and a well designed language. There's JavaScript & Node.js where the language is a bit of a mess but the ecosystem is huge. Plus the same language can be used on the frontend and backend. Python is extremely popular with Django, FastAPI, and Flask. C# is also extremely popular with ASP.NET Core, although I've never used it.
- rdevsrex 4y ago
  There are so many things today that can do that. Lot's of server rendered js apps are rocking in this space to.

MrStonedOne 4y ago

deleugpn 4y ago

When what you need is just to build a web product.

marcosdumay 4y ago
Did it catch-up with Python? Because last time I saw, it was clearly behind. (Next time I try web CRUD, I'll try it in Haskell. It seems to have let the more traditional languages behind.)
- Giorgi 4y ago
  you are missing the point, all the shared webhosts out there support PHP+Apache+mySQL iterations, nobody is deploying python on dedicated server just because they wanted small web app.
  - marcosdumay 4y ago
    Oh, I haven't heard that one since the 00's.
  - slang800 4y ago
    There are plenty of shared webhosts that let you run whatever language you want. Fly.io, Render.com, Heroku, etc. They all let me run my code on a fraction of a dedicated server with fully managed infrastructure for a few dollars a month.
slang800 4y ago
I think the general "web product building" space is even more competitive with tons of good choices. You've got Ruby on Rails and Elixir/Phoenix which both have an enjoyable developer experience and a well designed language. There's JavaScript & Node.js where the language is a bit of a mess but the ecosystem is huge. Plus the same language can be used on the frontend and backend. Python is extremely popular with Django, FastAPI, and Flask. C# is also extremely popular with ASP.NET Core, although I've never used it.
rdevsrex 4y ago
There are so many things today that can do that. Lot's of server rendered js apps are rocking in this space to.