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It's to avoid pay walls....

by Ptchd 4y ago

skissane 4y ago
Post the actual URI, then put archive URI in comment. If it helps people (with paywalls or hug of death or whatever) people will often upvote it and it will achieve a reasonably prominent position among the comments.
- Ptchd 4y ago
  But what if they modify the article after you post a link to it?
  - pvg 4y ago
    People notice that. Archive links remove important info from the post, this is a pretty well-settled HN thing with lots of moderator commentary if you want an infinite supply of reasoning.
    - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
      Frankly, I also think it's not right to put load on archive.org's servers when not necessary. Also, if people use archive.org explicitly to avoid paywalls, sites are just going to block archive.org, and then we won't have an Archive (to check whether the article gets updated, for instance).
    - Ptchd 4y ago
      > People notice that. How many? Like 1 percent of people? > Archive links remove important info from the post What type of information?
      - pvg 4y ago
        How many? Like 1 percent of people? You're asking me for stats about a statistically non-existent problem you made up. How many article get changed after they get posted and this isn't brought up in the comments? Also, sometimes articles get changed because authors respond to HN feedback. Interaction between authors and the community is one of the valuable things about the forum. There's no added value to discussing some frozen snapshot of a web page - its a web forum for talking about web links rather than some revision control system. What type of information? The domain, for one thing.
        Ptchd 4y ago
        > You're asking me for stats about a statistically non-existent problem you made up. You are the one that said that people actually notice that... I was trying to find out where you got that from. > The domain, for one thing. you can get the domain name from the archived page... Are you an HN admin trying to defend strange policies?
        pvg 4y ago
        You are the one that said that people actually notice that... I was trying to find out where you got that from. No, you said 'what if the page changes' which is not really a thing and when it's a thing, it's a totally normal thing. It's a non-problem that I got from your comment. you can get the domain name from the archived page... You can also get the archived page from the archived page, if you prefer the archived page. Are you an HN admin trying to defend strange policies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNnIbFFzpD8&t=9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNnIbFFzpD8&t=9s
        skissane 4y ago
        > you can get the domain name from the archived page... Posting an archive link breaks the feature which lets you view submissions by site: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=nytimes.com https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=nytimes.com
dang 4y ago
skissane is correct—archive links are welcome in the thread, but it's important that the submission be the original source. "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's to avoid pay walls....

by Ptchd 4y ago

It's to avoid pay walls....

Post the actual URI, then put archive URI in comment. If it helps people (with paywalls or hug of death or whatever) people will often upvote it and it will achieve a reasonably prominent position among the comments.

Ptchd 4y ago
But what if they modify the article after you post a link to it?
- pvg 4y ago
  People notice that. Archive links remove important info from the post, this is a pretty well-settled HN thing with lots of moderator commentary if you want an infinite supply of reasoning.
  - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
    Frankly, I also think it's not right to put load on archive.org's servers when not necessary. Also, if people use archive.org explicitly to avoid paywalls, sites are just going to block archive.org, and then we won't have an Archive (to check whether the article gets updated, for instance).
  - Ptchd 4y ago
    > People notice that. How many? Like 1 percent of people? > Archive links remove important info from the post What type of information?
    - pvg 4y ago
      How many? Like 1 percent of people? You're asking me for stats about a statistically non-existent problem you made up. How many article get changed after they get posted and this isn't brought up in the comments? Also, sometimes articles get changed because authors respond to HN feedback. Interaction between authors and the community is one of the valuable things about the forum. There's no added value to discussing some frozen snapshot of a web page - its a web forum for talking about web links rather than some revision control system. What type of information? The domain, for one thing.
      - Ptchd 4y ago
        > You're asking me for stats about a statistically non-existent problem you made up. You are the one that said that people actually notice that... I was trying to find out where you got that from. > The domain, for one thing. you can get the domain name from the archived page... Are you an HN admin trying to defend strange policies?
        pvg 4y ago
        You are the one that said that people actually notice that... I was trying to find out where you got that from. No, you said 'what if the page changes' which is not really a thing and when it's a thing, it's a totally normal thing. It's a non-problem that I got from your comment. you can get the domain name from the archived page... You can also get the archived page from the archived page, if you prefer the archived page. Are you an HN admin trying to defend strange policies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNnIbFFzpD8&t=9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNnIbFFzpD8&t=9s
        skissane 4y ago
        > you can get the domain name from the archived page... Posting an archive link breaks the feature which lets you view submissions by site: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=nytimes.com https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=nytimes.com

dang 4y ago

skissane is correct—archive links are welcome in the thread, but it's important that the submission be the original source. "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html