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“To many conservatives, trigger warnings are a symptom of a world gone mad: a fragilizing ritual meant to insulate the delicate worldview of a weak-minded gener

“To many conservatives, trigger warnings are a symptom of a world gone mad: a fragilizing ritual meant to insulate the delicate worldview of a weak-minded generation.” Conservatives routinely get upset about the presence of gay people in media, among many other things. Is that somehow in a different category? (This is in reply to the article linked by the author of the study in that Twitter thread)

kadoban 4y ago
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- josephg 4y ago
  Most people only extend empathy to their in-group. The left just has a different in-group. Your comment weirdly supports this reading. To me it reads as an attack on conservatives. Ending your comment with “…worth empathy to them.” implies conservatives are the out-group to you. Sounds to me like you don’t think this out-group (conservatives) deserve your empathy either! I might be misreading your intent, but as it stands it’s pretty ironic!
  - kadoban 4y ago
    I have empathy for most people, I am still able to criticize people though. Having empathy for someone does not mean their actions are immune from all comment.
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  - komali2 4y ago
    > Most people only extend empathy to their in-group. The left just has a different in-group. Depends on how you define in-group I guess? Most of my leftist friends are straight and white, yet all of them support LGBT rights as human rights, went to Black Lives Matter protests, etc. Yet similar straight, white conservative former friends of mine do not extend empathy to the black american experience, or will outright say homophobic things. Considering a tenant of leftism is tolerance regardless of identity I basically have to hard disagree with a blanket "the left just has a different in-group." A core tenant of leftist ideology is universal empathy, as a basis for support for universal human rights, equity, etc. I don't count authoritarians masquerading as leftists, such as tankies ("Marxist Leninists" my foot) or the hilarious new "MAGA Communists" in this.
    - josephg 4y ago
      It’s up to your leftist friends to define their in-group. Not me! Sounds like the in group is queer people, BLM people and so on. > A core tenant of leftist ideology is universal empathy, as a basis for support for universal human rights, equity, etc. There’s lots of people the modern “woke” left in the USA doesn’t seem to care about: poor people, people with low IQ, white people in conservative areas, people who live in non-western aligned countries, homeless people, men who have male specific problems, and so on. For example, a white male friend of mine is utterly crippled by trauma from his absentee dad. He doesn’t feel like anyone in his broader community cares about him and his problems at all. For a group that talks a lot about compassion, I’m frequently disappointed by how little love I actually see coming from the modern left.
      - komali2 4y ago
        > Sounds like the in group is queer people When I said "most of my leftist friends are straight and white," what made you think our "in group" (i don't know what definition of this word you're using) is queer people? > BLM people What is a "BLM person" and why do when I say "most of my leftist friends are straight and white" made you think we're whatever a BLM person is? > There’s lots of people the modern “woke” left in the USA doesn’t seem to care about Who? And what does "woke" mean? > poor people, I don't know what "woke" means but I know what leftism mean. Are you arguing that the anticapitalists don't care about poor people, lol? That the accessibility activists don't care about disabled people? That we don't care about poor people because... they're white? Hold on, that we don't care about homeless people??? what??? Where are you getting this lmao. And by men with specific male problems are you perhaps referring to transgender men facing state-sponsored prejudice and having their rights legislated against? Or gay men getting shot in nightclubs? Did you mean something else? > white male friend of mine is utterly crippled by trauma from his absentee dad. He doesn’t feel like anyone in his broader community cares about him and his problems at all. I'm sorry about your friend, that sucks. I just don't really understand what that has to do with anything. > For a group that talks a lot about compassion, I’m frequently disappointed by how little love I actually see coming from the modern left. I'm disappointed too. Who are you talking to? Do you come in accusing people of being SJWs and "woke" and then get treated like a reactionary, or are you coming in good faith or in need?
- Robotbeat 4y ago
  Man, you are very optimistic about human nature to apply this specifically “to them” when honestly it feels like a general human impulse regardless of political ideology. I see Schadenfreude and death threats by all stripes… (although I suppose only ideological groups that highly arm themselves are likely to successfully act on such threats?)
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  It is not that simple. https://www.salon.com/2022/10/16/do-conservatives-really-have-an-empathy-deficit-this-is-what-social-science-says/ https://www.salon.com/2022/10/16/do-conservatives-really-hav... "that liberals and conservatives alike report more empathy toward members of their own "in-groups" than outsiders"
Filligree 4y ago
aaron695 4y ago
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A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
I think the overall concern is that people in general seem all too willing to ignore reality. I can't really speak for any particular group in US ( or even in the old country ), because I am sufficiently weird that I do not really fit anywhere. Yay me. That said, trigger warning is already a trigger word and may need to replaced with something else to avoid emotional reaction ( although I admit I do not have a good replacement off the top of my head ). Some of the other posters mentioned movie ratings I almost chuckled a little, because I imagined a future, where I send an email in corporate settings with various tags to allow other people to ignore it in time and corporate code of conduct, where you agree to always read some upsetting tags..but I digress. << Is that somehow in a different category? << Conservatives routinely get upset about the presence of gay people in media, among many other things. Please correct if I am wrong ( I have done my best to limit my news intake lately ), but conservatives being angry over gays does not ring true to my ears. If I understand current zeitgeist correctly, it is, currently, about a 'conveyor belt upon which progressives plan to place their children'(paraphrasing certain host). The difference is notable. Is it possible you are using old caricature for specific effect? And this kinda brings me to the other point. Lately, it seems, it is not conservatives are not the ones calling for boycots, bans, deplatforming and demonetization. It is actually their opponents, which, in itself, is already interesting.
- lanyard-textile 4y ago
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    - dang 4y ago
      Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. In addition, please edit out swipes (like "calm down"), and don't cross into personal attack. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

kadoban 4y ago

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josephg 4y ago
Most people only extend empathy to their in-group. The left just has a different in-group. Your comment weirdly supports this reading. To me it reads as an attack on conservatives. Ending your comment with “…worth empathy to them.” implies conservatives are the out-group to you. Sounds to me like you don’t think this out-group (conservatives) deserve your empathy either! I might be misreading your intent, but as it stands it’s pretty ironic!
- kadoban 4y ago
  I have empathy for most people, I am still able to criticize people though. Having empathy for someone does not mean their actions are immune from all comment.
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- komali2 4y ago
  > Most people only extend empathy to their in-group. The left just has a different in-group. Depends on how you define in-group I guess? Most of my leftist friends are straight and white, yet all of them support LGBT rights as human rights, went to Black Lives Matter protests, etc. Yet similar straight, white conservative former friends of mine do not extend empathy to the black american experience, or will outright say homophobic things. Considering a tenant of leftism is tolerance regardless of identity I basically have to hard disagree with a blanket "the left just has a different in-group." A core tenant of leftist ideology is universal empathy, as a basis for support for universal human rights, equity, etc. I don't count authoritarians masquerading as leftists, such as tankies ("Marxist Leninists" my foot) or the hilarious new "MAGA Communists" in this.
  - josephg 4y ago
    It’s up to your leftist friends to define their in-group. Not me! Sounds like the in group is queer people, BLM people and so on. > A core tenant of leftist ideology is universal empathy, as a basis for support for universal human rights, equity, etc. There’s lots of people the modern “woke” left in the USA doesn’t seem to care about: poor people, people with low IQ, white people in conservative areas, people who live in non-western aligned countries, homeless people, men who have male specific problems, and so on. For example, a white male friend of mine is utterly crippled by trauma from his absentee dad. He doesn’t feel like anyone in his broader community cares about him and his problems at all. For a group that talks a lot about compassion, I’m frequently disappointed by how little love I actually see coming from the modern left.
    - komali2 4y ago
      > Sounds like the in group is queer people When I said "most of my leftist friends are straight and white," what made you think our "in group" (i don't know what definition of this word you're using) is queer people? > BLM people What is a "BLM person" and why do when I say "most of my leftist friends are straight and white" made you think we're whatever a BLM person is? > There’s lots of people the modern “woke” left in the USA doesn’t seem to care about Who? And what does "woke" mean? > poor people, I don't know what "woke" means but I know what leftism mean. Are you arguing that the anticapitalists don't care about poor people, lol? That the accessibility activists don't care about disabled people? That we don't care about poor people because... they're white? Hold on, that we don't care about homeless people??? what??? Where are you getting this lmao. And by men with specific male problems are you perhaps referring to transgender men facing state-sponsored prejudice and having their rights legislated against? Or gay men getting shot in nightclubs? Did you mean something else? > white male friend of mine is utterly crippled by trauma from his absentee dad. He doesn’t feel like anyone in his broader community cares about him and his problems at all. I'm sorry about your friend, that sucks. I just don't really understand what that has to do with anything. > For a group that talks a lot about compassion, I’m frequently disappointed by how little love I actually see coming from the modern left. I'm disappointed too. Who are you talking to? Do you come in accusing people of being SJWs and "woke" and then get treated like a reactionary, or are you coming in good faith or in need?
Robotbeat 4y ago
Man, you are very optimistic about human nature to apply this specifically “to them” when honestly it feels like a general human impulse regardless of political ideology. I see Schadenfreude and death threats by all stripes… (although I suppose only ideological groups that highly arm themselves are likely to successfully act on such threats?)
cscurmudgeon 4y ago
It is not that simple. https://www.salon.com/2022/10/16/do-conservatives-really-have-an-empathy-deficit-this-is-what-social-science-says/ https://www.salon.com/2022/10/16/do-conservatives-really-hav... "that liberals and conservatives alike report more empathy toward members of their own "in-groups" than outsiders"

Filligree 4y ago

aaron695 4y ago

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A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago

I think the overall concern is that people in general seem all too willing to ignore reality. I can't really speak for any particular group in US ( or even in the old country ), because I am sufficiently weird that I do not really fit anywhere. Yay me. That said, trigger warning is already a trigger word and may need to replaced with something else to avoid emotional reaction ( although I admit I do not have a good replacement off the top of my head ). Some of the other posters mentioned movie ratings I almost chuckled a little, because I imagined a future, where I send an email in corporate settings with various tags to allow other people to ignore it in time and corporate code of conduct, where you agree to always read some upsetting tags..but I digress. << Is that somehow in a different category? << Conservatives routinely get upset about the presence of gay people in media, among many other things. Please correct if I am wrong ( I have done my best to limit my news intake lately ), but conservatives being angry over gays does not ring true to my ears. If I understand current zeitgeist correctly, it is, currently, about a 'conveyor belt upon which progressives plan to place their children'(paraphrasing certain host). The difference is notable. Is it possible you are using old caricature for specific effect? And this kinda brings me to the other point. Lately, it seems, it is not conservatives are not the ones calling for boycots, bans, deplatforming and demonetization. It is actually their opponents, which, in itself, is already interesting.

lanyard-textile 4y ago
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- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. In addition, please edit out swipes (like "calm down"), and don't cross into personal attack. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html