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What is Full Self-Driving?

by returnInfinity 4y ago

hprotagonist 4y ago
an ad campaign, currently under investigation by several states and at least one other nation.
- steadyready 4y ago
  funny yet sadly true
Rygian 4y ago
Assuming you're asking honestly. It's a commercial name for a Level 3 autonomous function on Tesla cars ("the car’s systems perform the entire dynamic driving task (DDT) within the area that it is designed to do so. The human driver is only expected to be responsible for the DDT-fallback when the car essentially “asks” the driver to take over if something goes wrong or the car is about to leave the zone where it is able to operate." [1]), considering that the "area" is not strictly defined, and could be any road with sufficient visual cues for the car to assume where a viable lane could be. In terms of sensors, it relies exclusively on optical cameras, as opposed to other autonomy projects that use LiDAR and/or radar and/or ultrasounds as well as cameras. People have been paying thousands of dollars to subscribe to FSD for many years now, even when the only autonomous interventions in the car were strict Level 2 autonomy. Contributing factors for this seemingly irrational investment could be that the Level 2 features worked great (except for phantom braking and other arguably dangerous mistakes), and the backhanded marketing that would place FSD as a Level 5 autonomy feature. [1] https://level5auto.com/what-is-level-3-autonomous-driving/ https://level5auto.com/what-is-level-3-autonomous-driving/
- jonnrb 4y ago
  fsd is still l2 btw...
tialaramex 4y ago
As I understand it this is Tesla's hypothetical Level 4 automation. Except Tesla doesn't really offer that, so this "beta" is really Level 2 but sold like it's a bigger deal. SAE automation level 2 means the machine can do some of the boring parts of driving, but you as driver are actually always responsible, you are required to overrule the machine whenever it does something which was a bad idea and that's somehow not Tesla's fault. If you somehow fall asleep while a level 2 car is "driving" you're possibly never going to wake up, and if you do chances are any collision or other damage is your fault. At level 4, the machine will either do its job or safely give up. So it's OK to be asleep, although it's possible when you wake up you're like "God damn it car, I wanted to be in Boston by now, and you've just sat here moaning about a little bit of snow just outside Plattsburgh all night"... (At level 5 the machine should drive in any reasonable conditions, this probably gets very elastic about what constitutes a "reasonable" condition for driving - is this car level 5 despite the fact it won't drive in a blizzard? Maybe not driving in a blizzard isn't cowardice but common sense? A dirt track seems fine in a 4WD with AI, but how about this boulder-strewn mountain path?)
sethd 4y ago
A lot of folks get hung up on the “self” part, thinking it refers to the car when it actually refers to you the driver.

What is Full Self-Driving?

hprotagonist 4y ago

an ad campaign, currently under investigation by several states and at least one other nation.

steadyready 4y ago
funny yet sadly true

Rygian 4y ago

Assuming you're asking honestly. It's a commercial name for a Level 3 autonomous function on Tesla cars ("the car’s systems perform the entire dynamic driving task (DDT) within the area that it is designed to do so. The human driver is only expected to be responsible for the DDT-fallback when the car essentially “asks” the driver to take over if something goes wrong or the car is about to leave the zone where it is able to operate." [1]), considering that the "area" is not strictly defined, and could be any road with sufficient visual cues for the car to assume where a viable lane could be. In terms of sensors, it relies exclusively on optical cameras, as opposed to other autonomy projects that use LiDAR and/or radar and/or ultrasounds as well as cameras. People have been paying thousands of dollars to subscribe to FSD for many years now, even when the only autonomous interventions in the car were strict Level 2 autonomy. Contributing factors for this seemingly irrational investment could be that the Level 2 features worked great (except for phantom braking and other arguably dangerous mistakes), and the backhanded marketing that would place FSD as a Level 5 autonomy feature. [1] https://level5auto.com/what-is-level-3-autonomous-driving/ https://level5auto.com/what-is-level-3-autonomous-driving/

jonnrb 4y ago
fsd is still l2 btw...

tialaramex 4y ago

As I understand it this is Tesla's hypothetical Level 4 automation. Except Tesla doesn't really offer that, so this "beta" is really Level 2 but sold like it's a bigger deal. SAE automation level 2 means the machine can do some of the boring parts of driving, but you as driver are actually always responsible, you are required to overrule the machine whenever it does something which was a bad idea and that's somehow not Tesla's fault. If you somehow fall asleep while a level 2 car is "driving" you're possibly never going to wake up, and if you do chances are any collision or other damage is your fault. At level 4, the machine will either do its job or safely give up. So it's OK to be asleep, although it's possible when you wake up you're like "God damn it car, I wanted to be in Boston by now, and you've just sat here moaning about a little bit of snow just outside Plattsburgh all night"... (At level 5 the machine should drive in any reasonable conditions, this probably gets very elastic about what constitutes a "reasonable" condition for driving - is this car level 5 despite the fact it won't drive in a blizzard? Maybe not driving in a blizzard isn't cowardice but common sense? A dirt track seems fine in a 4WD with AI, but how about this boulder-strewn mountain path?)

sethd 4y ago

A lot of folks get hung up on the “self” part, thinking it refers to the car when it actually refers to you the driver.