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When people say "defund the police" this is the kind of shit they are talking about. There is no reason for a police force to have access to lethal robots. None

When people say "defund the police" this is the kind of shit they are talking about. There is no reason for a police force to have access to lethal robots. None.

butMebbe 4y ago
Train citizens to drive robot non-lethal surveillance drones, do paperwork, cut funding for rage prone meat bag policing. Maintain minimum required force of trigger happies for all the shooting scenarios. Our secular society isn’t anymore sacrosanct than religious based choices. It should be readily reorganize-able as logistics demand. Optimizing for 24/7 status quo politics, profit margin optimizing and rent extraction “or else the world ends” is not so different from forcing unfalsifiable magic down our throats.
- thwayunion 4y ago
  > Train citizens to drive robot surveillance drones, do paperwork Aka hire more cops. A cop in the US is just a citizen with 3-6 months of tactical and paperwork training.
  - butMebbe 4y ago
    What I am trying to describe is a very different kind of organization of policing agency and your response is to repeat old semantics, and conclude then it’s not that new?
    - thwayunion 4y ago
      You posted five sentences. Three of them are mostly just vague conglomerations of charged symbology. Did you expect an entire treatise in response...? Anyways, the point remains: the difference between a police officer and a civilian is a small amount of training and a whole lot of in-group politics. Not sure how hiring different people solves either problem.
petilon 4y ago
One word --> Uvalde. A remote-controlled robot equipped with a gun is needed in this type of situation. The gun will be operated by a human, remotely.
- neoromantique 4y ago
  Or you know, Police Officers inside, doing their jobs. But arresting parents was indeed higher priority.
  - xvector 4y ago
    Police didn't go inside because they were scared of dying. Were they cowards? Yes. Does calling them cowards solve the problem? No. Robots would actually solve the problem. In tech we have a culture of blaming the process, not people. Now, we should definitely blame the Uvalde officers for their cowardice. But we should also think about how we could improve the process around dealing with active shooters and officers who simply aren't brave enough when push comes to shove. This was not the first time, and nor will it be the last time, when innocent lives die because of afraid law enforcement officers. Let's solve this problem at the process layer.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    So police officers should just carry out their duty and charge with reckless abandon toward the business end of an AR-15 like automatons? Wait...
    - neoromantique 4y ago
      Yeah, if we go down this path, then maybe (just maybe), introducing robots with guns isn't really the best approach.
      - petilon 4y ago
        Even a robot with a fake gun is better than no robot. If the shooter is distracted by the robot then the police have a better chance to take him out. In addition to fake gun the robot should have a camera too, so that police can see him.
frickinLasers 4y ago
As the article mentions, they are bomb disposal robots. There is absolutely reason to have a tool capable of firing a shotgun shell attached, and an arm capable of placing a charge. You could hobble the bomb squad with legislation, make their job more deadly--or you could ban this particular use. Source: I just know. That robot saves lives.
proc0 4y ago
Well, they probably are looking into this because they were defunded and don't have enough officers.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  Weird, considering this administration allocated $37 billion in funds to hire another 100,000 police officers.
- braingenious 4y ago
  It’s crazy how defunding the SFPD involves raising their budget every single year. It’s almost as if “the police have been defunded” is a bit of rhetoric to justify more spending and more draconian violence. https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/ https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-departmen...

When people say "defund the police" this is the kind of shit they are talking about. There is no reason for a police force to have access to lethal robots. None.

butMebbe 4y ago

Train citizens to drive robot non-lethal surveillance drones, do paperwork, cut funding for rage prone meat bag policing. Maintain minimum required force of trigger happies for all the shooting scenarios. Our secular society isn’t anymore sacrosanct than religious based choices. It should be readily reorganize-able as logistics demand. Optimizing for 24/7 status quo politics, profit margin optimizing and rent extraction “or else the world ends” is not so different from forcing unfalsifiable magic down our throats.

thwayunion 4y ago
> Train citizens to drive robot surveillance drones, do paperwork Aka hire more cops. A cop in the US is just a citizen with 3-6 months of tactical and paperwork training.
- butMebbe 4y ago
  What I am trying to describe is a very different kind of organization of policing agency and your response is to repeat old semantics, and conclude then it’s not that new?
  - thwayunion 4y ago
    You posted five sentences. Three of them are mostly just vague conglomerations of charged symbology. Did you expect an entire treatise in response...? Anyways, the point remains: the difference between a police officer and a civilian is a small amount of training and a whole lot of in-group politics. Not sure how hiring different people solves either problem.

petilon 4y ago

One word --> Uvalde. A remote-controlled robot equipped with a gun is needed in this type of situation. The gun will be operated by a human, remotely.

neoromantique 4y ago
Or you know, Police Officers inside, doing their jobs. But arresting parents was indeed higher priority.
- xvector 4y ago
  Police didn't go inside because they were scared of dying. Were they cowards? Yes. Does calling them cowards solve the problem? No. Robots would actually solve the problem. In tech we have a culture of blaming the process, not people. Now, we should definitely blame the Uvalde officers for their cowardice. But we should also think about how we could improve the process around dealing with active shooters and officers who simply aren't brave enough when push comes to shove. This was not the first time, and nor will it be the last time, when innocent lives die because of afraid law enforcement officers. Let's solve this problem at the process layer.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  So police officers should just carry out their duty and charge with reckless abandon toward the business end of an AR-15 like automatons? Wait...
  - neoromantique 4y ago
    Yeah, if we go down this path, then maybe (just maybe), introducing robots with guns isn't really the best approach.
    - petilon 4y ago
      Even a robot with a fake gun is better than no robot. If the shooter is distracted by the robot then the police have a better chance to take him out. In addition to fake gun the robot should have a camera too, so that police can see him.

frickinLasers 4y ago

As the article mentions, they are bomb disposal robots. There is absolutely reason to have a tool capable of firing a shotgun shell attached, and an arm capable of placing a charge. You could hobble the bomb squad with legislation, make their job more deadly--or you could ban this particular use. Source: I just know. That robot saves lives.

proc0 4y ago

Well, they probably are looking into this because they were defunded and don't have enough officers.

heavyset_go 4y ago
Weird, considering this administration allocated $37 billion in funds to hire another 100,000 police officers.
braingenious 4y ago
It’s crazy how defunding the SFPD involves raising their budget every single year. It’s almost as if “the police have been defunded” is a bit of rhetoric to justify more spending and more draconian violence. https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/ https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-departmen...