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Controlled Digital Lending is a fraud that helps book publishers monopolize the library culture by artificially making an abundant resource scarce. It also help

Controlled Digital Lending is a fraud that helps book publishers monopolize the library culture by artificially making an abundant resource scarce. It also helps software publishers to monetize the library culture. By now we should have already built a global repository where all digital books ever published or digitized from physical copies should have been available to anyone with internet access, just like W3C specifications. It's a shame that we are moving in this opposite direction without realizing what lies ahead ... walls and more walls.

chpatrick 4y ago
Great, how do writers get paid?
- gauddasa 4y ago
  Writers will get paid just like internet influencers are getting funded by fans and sponsorships. I agree it's an emerging business model, but worth giving more thought.
  - caslon 4y ago
    I know a couple authors who get paid in this fashion. They all lament how it's immensely stressful, how they can never take a vacation, and how there's always a constant fear that their revenue source will be taken out by not being able to write during stressful life events. I agree that information should be free, but for it to be justly done, work needs to become optional for everyone.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      Is pitching to publishers less precarious?
      - caslon 4y ago
        Yes, because you don't have to be "on" 24/7. An author selling to conventional media can take a vacation, because their compensation isn't drip-fed.
  - PaulsWallet 4y ago
    You may prefer this model but many people will not and it will only further the moaning and groaning about ads and sponsorships on the web. There is no model here isn't without trade-offs.
- apocalypstyx 4y ago
  The problem is a great many of them now are paid next to nothing and with recent developments in the industry expected to take on more and more of the work and costs themselves as publishers cut back on promotion and editing services. And it terms of labor, publishing is an industry that stands on the backs of unpaid interns and underpaid workers (as with the recent Harper Collins strikes). Academic publishing is even worse, with authors also seeing little to nothing (and in some cases having to pay) and books costing more than $50 (and often times above $100) when many of them have also started using print on demand. So the real question is, are writers getting paid now? Well, a minuscule number make Stephen King money, a handful make a full-time living, and the vast majority, at most, make pocket money and have full-time work in other areas, all while the publishing industry hoovers up more and more rights.
- einpoklum 4y ago
  Your question... it's as though someone showed you a gallery of photos of buildings and you would ask how the architects and construction workers get paid.
- mekarpeles 4y ago
  By buying their books! The books on internet archive have been purchased by or donated to the library, the same way all libraries work across the US. Books are lent using the same 1:1 owned to loaned ratios. Open library is a catalog and publicizes info about authors and promotes their works, irrespective of whether or not lendable titles are available. - mek (open library team)
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  $5.25 per month for a typical U.S. household, or an 0.1% income tax basis (say, rolled into your broadband access fee), would provide compensation equal to all current book sales, and avoid both the deadweight losses of information access denial of the present system as well as the Federal Crime of Giving People Books. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33647625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33647625> Criminalisation of digital distribution was only legislated in 2008 (again in the U.S.): <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33643398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33643398>
arepublicadoceu 4y ago
THERE was a wall. It did not look important. It was built of uncut rocks roughly mortared. An adult could look right over it, and even a child could climb it. Where it crossed the roadway, instead of having a gate it degenerated into mere geometry, a line, an idea of boundary. But the idea was real. It was important. For seven generations there had been nothing in the world more important than that wall. Like all walls it was ambiguous, two-faced. What was inside it and what was outside it depended upon which side of it you were on.
- statusfailed 4y ago
  For anyone wondering, the parent is quoting "The Dispossessed"[0] by Ursula K. Le Guin, which is one of my all-time favorite books. Definitely read it if you like science fiction. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed
  - kwhitefoot 4y ago
    Read it even if you don't like science fiction. The science in it is much less important than the politics or anthropology; actually this is true of quite a lot of the best science fiction.
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zozbot234 4y ago
> By now we should have already built a global repository where all digital books ever published or digitized from physical copies should have been available to anyone with internet access The Open Library is pretty much this... for books in the public domain. AKA many more books than anyone could feasibly read in an entire lifetime, even if one only considered the "Great Classics" of Western literature. If your aim is to expand access to books, the lowest-hanging fruit by far is improving availability, findability (cataloging), reusability etc. of stuff that can be provided on any website with no legal issues whatsoever.
- bentley 4y ago
  Yep. I appreciate how there are so many open source projects whose interests align to naturally work together at different layers toward a future of better curation: 1. Open Library providing a database of book titles, authors, and other metadata (unlike Goodreads, etc. whose databases are proprietary). 2. Internet Archive, Google Books, and Hathitrust scanning books and making full scans available for download as copyrights expire. 3. Project Gutenberg, PGDP, etc. transcribing scans and unscanned books to digital text. 4. Standard Ebooks applying a consistent style guide and providing additional cleanup and proofreading, attractive covers, and more detailed HTML and EPUB metadata.
bentley 4y ago
You’ll be happy to hear that the Internet Archive, who’s behind Open Library, regularly pushes the boundaries of digital lending, most recently by allowing uncontrolled digital lending during the early days of the pandemic (calling it the National Emergency Library). Of course, this inevitably led to a lawsuit from the major publishers. In my less optimistic moments, I fear that the library will be found legally in the wrong despite its attempted justifications, and that it will lead to the demise of the entire Internet Archive.
ketzu 4y ago
This argument is applicable to all digital things, but for some reason it is usually only applied to books. It seems that a lot of software being free would be much more beneficial than free access to Harry Potter. I wonder if that would be as popular or, if for one reason or another, people are okay with just having voluntarily free software being free.
- q-big 4y ago
  > This argument is applicable to all digital things, but for some reason it is usually only applied to books. It seems that a lot of software being free would be much more beneficial than free access to Harry Potter. The problem with distributing illegal copies of software is the (depending on the crack website possibly rather small) risk of malware/ransomware, and additionally the risk that the software contains phone-home functionality to detect illegal copies (BTW: my personal opinion is that one should avoid software with such phone-home functionality (even if you obtain your copy legally) like the plague if possible). These are, I think, plausible reasons why the software scene is more biased toward FOSS.
Apocryphon 4y ago
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, etc.

chpatrick 4y ago

Great, how do writers get paid?

gauddasa 4y ago
Writers will get paid just like internet influencers are getting funded by fans and sponsorships. I agree it's an emerging business model, but worth giving more thought.
- caslon 4y ago
  I know a couple authors who get paid in this fashion. They all lament how it's immensely stressful, how they can never take a vacation, and how there's always a constant fear that their revenue source will be taken out by not being able to write during stressful life events. I agree that information should be free, but for it to be justly done, work needs to become optional for everyone.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Is pitching to publishers less precarious?
    - caslon 4y ago
      Yes, because you don't have to be "on" 24/7. An author selling to conventional media can take a vacation, because their compensation isn't drip-fed.
- PaulsWallet 4y ago
  You may prefer this model but many people will not and it will only further the moaning and groaning about ads and sponsorships on the web. There is no model here isn't without trade-offs.
apocalypstyx 4y ago
The problem is a great many of them now are paid next to nothing and with recent developments in the industry expected to take on more and more of the work and costs themselves as publishers cut back on promotion and editing services. And it terms of labor, publishing is an industry that stands on the backs of unpaid interns and underpaid workers (as with the recent Harper Collins strikes). Academic publishing is even worse, with authors also seeing little to nothing (and in some cases having to pay) and books costing more than $50 (and often times above $100) when many of them have also started using print on demand. So the real question is, are writers getting paid now? Well, a minuscule number make Stephen King money, a handful make a full-time living, and the vast majority, at most, make pocket money and have full-time work in other areas, all while the publishing industry hoovers up more and more rights.
einpoklum 4y ago
Your question... it's as though someone showed you a gallery of photos of buildings and you would ask how the architects and construction workers get paid.
mekarpeles 4y ago
By buying their books! The books on internet archive have been purchased by or donated to the library, the same way all libraries work across the US. Books are lent using the same 1:1 owned to loaned ratios. Open library is a catalog and publicizes info about authors and promotes their works, irrespective of whether or not lendable titles are available. - mek (open library team)
dredmorbius 4y ago
$5.25 per month for a typical U.S. household, or an 0.1% income tax basis (say, rolled into your broadband access fee), would provide compensation equal to all current book sales, and avoid both the deadweight losses of information access denial of the present system as well as the Federal Crime of Giving People Books. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33647625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33647625> Criminalisation of digital distribution was only legislated in 2008 (again in the U.S.): <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33643398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33643398>

arepublicadoceu 4y ago

THERE was a wall. It did not look important. It was built of uncut rocks roughly mortared. An adult could look right over it, and even a child could climb it. Where it crossed the roadway, instead of having a gate it degenerated into mere geometry, a line, an idea of boundary. But the idea was real. It was important. For seven generations there had been nothing in the world more important than that wall. Like all walls it was ambiguous, two-faced. What was inside it and what was outside it depended upon which side of it you were on.

statusfailed 4y ago
For anyone wondering, the parent is quoting "The Dispossessed"[0] by Ursula K. Le Guin, which is one of my all-time favorite books. Definitely read it if you like science fiction. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  Read it even if you don't like science fiction. The science in it is much less important than the politics or anthropology; actually this is true of quite a lot of the best science fiction.

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zozbot234 4y ago

> By now we should have already built a global repository where all digital books ever published or digitized from physical copies should have been available to anyone with internet access The Open Library is pretty much this... for books in the public domain. AKA many more books than anyone could feasibly read in an entire lifetime, even if one only considered the "Great Classics" of Western literature. If your aim is to expand access to books, the lowest-hanging fruit by far is improving availability, findability (cataloging), reusability etc. of stuff that can be provided on any website with no legal issues whatsoever.

bentley 4y ago
Yep. I appreciate how there are so many open source projects whose interests align to naturally work together at different layers toward a future of better curation: 1. Open Library providing a database of book titles, authors, and other metadata (unlike Goodreads, etc. whose databases are proprietary). 2. Internet Archive, Google Books, and Hathitrust scanning books and making full scans available for download as copyrights expire. 3. Project Gutenberg, PGDP, etc. transcribing scans and unscanned books to digital text. 4. Standard Ebooks applying a consistent style guide and providing additional cleanup and proofreading, attractive covers, and more detailed HTML and EPUB metadata.

bentley 4y ago

You’ll be happy to hear that the Internet Archive, who’s behind Open Library, regularly pushes the boundaries of digital lending, most recently by allowing uncontrolled digital lending during the early days of the pandemic (calling it the National Emergency Library). Of course, this inevitably led to a lawsuit from the major publishers. In my less optimistic moments, I fear that the library will be found legally in the wrong despite its attempted justifications, and that it will lead to the demise of the entire Internet Archive.

ketzu 4y ago

This argument is applicable to all digital things, but for some reason it is usually only applied to books. It seems that a lot of software being free would be much more beneficial than free access to Harry Potter. I wonder if that would be as popular or, if for one reason or another, people are okay with just having voluntarily free software being free.

q-big 4y ago
> This argument is applicable to all digital things, but for some reason it is usually only applied to books. It seems that a lot of software being free would be much more beneficial than free access to Harry Potter. The problem with distributing illegal copies of software is the (depending on the crack website possibly rather small) risk of malware/ransomware, and additionally the risk that the software contains phone-home functionality to detect illegal copies (BTW: my personal opinion is that one should avoid software with such phone-home functionality (even if you obtain your copy legally) like the plague if possible). These are, I think, plausible reasons why the software scene is more biased toward FOSS.

Apocryphon 4y ago

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, etc.