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> On my team we brutally introspect the value of every meeting, and if it looks like it's not delivering value, we find a new process Oh yeah I love the multip

> On my team we brutally introspect the value of every meeting, and if it looks like it's not delivering value, we find a new process Oh yeah I love the multiple hours we have spend every week 'introspecting' processes, just to throw out one of the dozen we'd already defined and add another one. And this 'introspection' typically boils down to the loudest, most ambitious mouthbreathers forcing their BS down everyones throats so that they can jot down their amazing process contributions in their promo doc. Brutal is the right word.

amzn-throw 4y ago
Who hurt you? Do you even like software engineering? Quit, and go make sourdough bread, shit.
- gruffle 4y ago
- anon7725 4y ago
  I like building things with code. I don’t like group bikeshedding about processes, tools and “best practices.” Do I even like software engineering?
  - amzn-throw 4y ago
    No, you like coding. Which is okay! But it's the difference between an individual carpenter making a rocking chair for himself and his family, or maybe making a couple to sell to his friends, and being a structural engineer. Bikeshedding is not a necessary antipattern to the process, but large software projects absolutely need group collaboration, and a discussion of processes, tools, and best practices.
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    - gruffle 4y ago
      'Buidling things with code' is not just coding. It can include design, architecture, collaboration, planning etc. There are many high quality, highly complex, open source projects that don't rely on many of the 'processes', meetings, toxic competiveness, thought-policing, and beuracracy found in AWS. Based on your comment history (which is consists of about 0% technically interesting topics, and about 100% pro-amazon 'tales from a super-senior principal engineer guyyyss') tells me you don't like engineering, you like politics and beuracracy. Which is okay!

amzn-throw 4y ago

Who hurt you? Do you even like software engineering? Quit, and go make sourdough bread, shit.

gruffle 4y ago
anon7725 4y ago
I like building things with code. I don’t like group bikeshedding about processes, tools and “best practices.” Do I even like software engineering?
- amzn-throw 4y ago
  No, you like coding. Which is okay! But it's the difference between an individual carpenter making a rocking chair for himself and his family, or maybe making a couple to sell to his friends, and being a structural engineer. Bikeshedding is not a necessary antipattern to the process, but large software projects absolutely need group collaboration, and a discussion of processes, tools, and best practices.
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  - gruffle 4y ago
    'Buidling things with code' is not just coding. It can include design, architecture, collaboration, planning etc. There are many high quality, highly complex, open source projects that don't rely on many of the 'processes', meetings, toxic competiveness, thought-policing, and beuracracy found in AWS. Based on your comment history (which is consists of about 0% technically interesting topics, and about 100% pro-amazon 'tales from a super-senior principal engineer guyyyss') tells me you don't like engineering, you like politics and beuracracy. Which is okay!