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Actually, among the MAGMA companies I've found the _least_ bias for leetcode-memorization at Amazon. My interview with Meta was exactly as you described (a CS

Actually, among the MAGMA companies I've found the _least_ bias for leetcode-memorization at Amazon. My interview with Meta was exactly as you described (a CS riddle taken from a textbook, to be solved without running the code or receiving hints). But in my interview with Amazon, each coding interview also included a couple leadership questions. If you want you can look up the exact questions that they'll give you to test what they call their "Leadership Principles" Also the Amazon coding questions were not taken directly from Leetcode, and were easily reasoned out without prior knowledge of a special algorithm.

malfist 4y ago
We have a question bank that we are required to ask from that can be found online. Coding questions and system design challenges are individual to the interviewer. Some are good, some are bad, some are leet code, some are reasonable, it's kinda a crapshot. I saw a bar raiser (a bar raiser!) asking path finding algorithms as his coding challenge which is nuts to me. All that signals is if you've worked with path finding algorithms before, or remember your college class that taught A* But I'll be honest, our interview process is public and online and hasn't changed in a long long time. We select mostly for people who have the spare time and dedication to learn our interview process.
- shuckles 4y ago
  It's hard for me to interpret your comment since you never state who "we" refers to.
  - fzil 4y ago
    not the person who wrote the comment, but "we" -> Amazon.
  - malfist 4y ago
    Sorry, we is Amazon. I had made the jump from we->amazon because the article is about amazon, but I realize that isn't super clear to anyone else.
- turdprincess 4y ago
  It could also signal that you got motivated and took many hours out of your busy day to do a meaningless task like memorize a path finding algorithms. This might be a good signal that you will also be motivated to spend many hours doing meaningless things at your job. Actually, if you think about it, the whole concept of getting a college degree isn't much different - its not about what you learn in the classes, it just shows that you have the capacity to go through an arbitrary social experience, follow a bunch of rules, learn some stuff, and stick with it for a few years - pretty similar to a job.
  - pmoriarty 4y ago
    "the whole concept of getting a college degree isn't much different - its not about what you learn in the classes, it just shows that you have the capacity to go through an arbitrary social experience, follow a bunch of rules, learn some stuff, and stick with it for a few years - pretty similar to a job" It makes me sad when I hear people say things like this. A college education has the potential to be so much more than this. I took a poetry class, despite not being particularly interested in or appreciative of poetry and it opened my eyes and made me a life-long lover of poetry ever since. Philosophy courses taught me how to think more rigorously and question things many other people take for granted. There were many other courses which weren't required for my degree that I sampled and wound up loving and learning to appreciate things I never would have otherwise been exposed to... even changing my major because of some of them. I didn't even have any truly amazing teachers either, so I can only imagine how much better is the college experience of those who do. Having great classmates who inspire and motivate you can be fantastic too... not to mention the potential to make connections and broaden your horizons in all sorts of academic and non-academic ways. College can change your life, change the way you think, open your mind and open your eyes, and so much more.
    - rplst8 4y ago
      I agree 100%. To add to this, I can't tell you how many engineers I run into who possess amazing programming skills, but can not convey their thoughts and designs meaningfully in written or spoken word. Taking a few more humanities classes might not be a bad idea for most.
- porknubbins 4y ago
  Is a leet code question just one that has an obscure clever answer (like use 3 pointers to process the array in time O(n) ) that doesn’t really use broader knowledge of CS?

malfist 4y ago

We have a question bank that we are required to ask from that can be found online. Coding questions and system design challenges are individual to the interviewer. Some are good, some are bad, some are leet code, some are reasonable, it's kinda a crapshot. I saw a bar raiser (a bar raiser!) asking path finding algorithms as his coding challenge which is nuts to me. All that signals is if you've worked with path finding algorithms before, or remember your college class that taught A* But I'll be honest, our interview process is public and online and hasn't changed in a long long time. We select mostly for people who have the spare time and dedication to learn our interview process.

shuckles 4y ago
It's hard for me to interpret your comment since you never state who "we" refers to.
- fzil 4y ago
  not the person who wrote the comment, but "we" -> Amazon.
- malfist 4y ago
  Sorry, we is Amazon. I had made the jump from we->amazon because the article is about amazon, but I realize that isn't super clear to anyone else.
turdprincess 4y ago
It could also signal that you got motivated and took many hours out of your busy day to do a meaningless task like memorize a path finding algorithms. This might be a good signal that you will also be motivated to spend many hours doing meaningless things at your job. Actually, if you think about it, the whole concept of getting a college degree isn't much different - its not about what you learn in the classes, it just shows that you have the capacity to go through an arbitrary social experience, follow a bunch of rules, learn some stuff, and stick with it for a few years - pretty similar to a job.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  "the whole concept of getting a college degree isn't much different - its not about what you learn in the classes, it just shows that you have the capacity to go through an arbitrary social experience, follow a bunch of rules, learn some stuff, and stick with it for a few years - pretty similar to a job" It makes me sad when I hear people say things like this. A college education has the potential to be so much more than this. I took a poetry class, despite not being particularly interested in or appreciative of poetry and it opened my eyes and made me a life-long lover of poetry ever since. Philosophy courses taught me how to think more rigorously and question things many other people take for granted. There were many other courses which weren't required for my degree that I sampled and wound up loving and learning to appreciate things I never would have otherwise been exposed to... even changing my major because of some of them. I didn't even have any truly amazing teachers either, so I can only imagine how much better is the college experience of those who do. Having great classmates who inspire and motivate you can be fantastic too... not to mention the potential to make connections and broaden your horizons in all sorts of academic and non-academic ways. College can change your life, change the way you think, open your mind and open your eyes, and so much more.
  - rplst8 4y ago
    I agree 100%. To add to this, I can't tell you how many engineers I run into who possess amazing programming skills, but can not convey their thoughts and designs meaningfully in written or spoken word. Taking a few more humanities classes might not be a bad idea for most.
porknubbins 4y ago
Is a leet code question just one that has an obscure clever answer (like use 3 pointers to process the array in time O(n) ) that doesn’t really use broader knowledge of CS?