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The bias in the "software engineering" roles you can search for is so strong that this search will work like a low pass filter, only bad programmers, ignorant c
by fiberhood 4y ago
The bias in the "software engineering" roles you can search for is so strong that this search will work like a low pass filter, only bad programmers, ignorant coders and pop culture level will pass this search bias. 10X programmers, computer scientist and hackers will not find any job with this filter.
Maybe the makers of this search need to study what true programmers are like?
A few links to get started [1][2][3][4].
If you had restricted the search to Cobol, Microsoft or PHP your would have created the same type of bias against skilled programmers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
[1] There is still a war going on. Edsger Dijkstra.
https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd11xx/EWD1165.PDF https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd11xx/EWD1165.PDF
[2] Alan Kay SAP talk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXjpA9gFX5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXjpA9gFX5c
[3] Revenge of the Nerds. Paul Graham.
http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html
[4] Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age.
https://digtvbg.com/files/books-for-hacking/Hackers%20%26%20Painters%20-%20Big%20Ideas%20From%20The%20Computer%20Age%20by%20Paul%20Graham.pdf https://digtvbg.com/files/books-for-hacking/Hackers%20%26%20...
- dvykhopen 4y agowhat if you had access to just the data -- like a spreadsheet? and you could build your own search? also kind of don't like the search and want to rip it up
- fiberhood 4y agoThat is a perfect idea! Most skillfull hackers would indeed like to just search the raw data for a good job instead of relying on your precanned search. I would happily pay for the raw data! I would not pay for this search page.
- s1artibartfast 4y agoThis is literally the best job search idea I have heard in my life.
- brailsafe 4y agoWhat is a "true programmer" supposed to be?
- fiberhood 4y agoPaul Graham explains it in his essays [1] Dan Ingalls is the best example of a true top programmer [2][3] (and all his 50 years or programmes can be examined [7]). Alan Kay [4] wrote extensively about good programmers. [5][6] You can hire a few true programmers (some of the best programmers in history) with us! Morphle {at} ziggo dot nl [1] http://www.paulgraham.com/articles.html http://www.paulgraham.com/articles.html [2] https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=dan+ingalls&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=dan+... [3] https://codersatwork.com/dan-ingalls.html https://codersatwork.com/dan-ingalls.html [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay#Reinventing_programming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay#Reinventing_programmi... [5] http://www.vpri.org/pdf/rn2006002_nsfprop.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/rn2006002_nsfprop.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20130508090431/http://www.vpri.org/html/work/NSFproposal.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20130508090431/http://www.vpri.o... [6] The STEPS papers and most of the others at http://www.vpri.org/writings.php http://www.vpri.org/writings.php [7] https://smalltalkzoo.thechm.org/ https://smalltalkzoo.thechm.org/