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>Lots of people have been banned from platforms, rightly or wrongly. You can't get banned from email. You can't get banned from having your own website. You can

>Lots of people have been banned from platforms, rightly or wrongly. You can't get banned from email. You can't get banned from having your own website. You can't get banned from the telephone system. If you don't own your own data, you are at the mercy of those who do. If there's anything to be learned from the KiwiFarms saga, it's that these statements are no longer true.

voxic11 4y ago
KiwiFarms was back within days, if anything the KiwiFarms saga showed that it is still true.
- tommica 4y ago
  And it was down quick after that, but right now it is accessible in some countries. This saga has really muddled up responsibilities of different parts of the chain that makes the internet, where companies that should not be filtering traffic are doing exactly that.
the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
On the topic of censorship / cancellation my limited experience so far has shown me that defederation happens and plenty of servers are entirely unreachable from the rest of the ecosystem. I’m not sure if this is an argument in favor or against anything, but at least it shows me that there are different standards and ideas at play and they really don’t fit well together into a coherent view of what Mastodon is. It really depends on “which mastodon”. poa.st and hachyderm.io are both Mastodon instances but they generally don’t cross as an example.
- int_19h 4y ago
  It stands to reason that, in a cultural & political environment that encourages bubbles, fediverse would evolve into a bunch of several such bubbles - federating within each other, but not outside. Eventually, I hope we'll see some "frontier" servers that could be federated by different sides to serve as a meeting place for the brave souls.
_a9 4y ago
KiwiFarms is the perfect example on how that it is still true. The Twitter crew forgot about them after a week and it went back to normal.
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naet 4y ago
Kiwifarms is very much online at its original url... getting booted from cloudflare does not by any means mean you have been banned from having a personal website (even if your content is reprehensible).

voxic11 4y ago

KiwiFarms was back within days, if anything the KiwiFarms saga showed that it is still true.

tommica 4y ago
And it was down quick after that, but right now it is accessible in some countries. This saga has really muddled up responsibilities of different parts of the chain that makes the internet, where companies that should not be filtering traffic are doing exactly that.

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago

On the topic of censorship / cancellation my limited experience so far has shown me that defederation happens and plenty of servers are entirely unreachable from the rest of the ecosystem. I’m not sure if this is an argument in favor or against anything, but at least it shows me that there are different standards and ideas at play and they really don’t fit well together into a coherent view of what Mastodon is. It really depends on “which mastodon”. poa.st and hachyderm.io are both Mastodon instances but they generally don’t cross as an example.

int_19h 4y ago
It stands to reason that, in a cultural & political environment that encourages bubbles, fediverse would evolve into a bunch of several such bubbles - federating within each other, but not outside. Eventually, I hope we'll see some "frontier" servers that could be federated by different sides to serve as a meeting place for the brave souls.

_a9 4y ago

KiwiFarms is the perfect example on how that it is still true. The Twitter crew forgot about them after a week and it went back to normal.

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naet 4y ago

Kiwifarms is very much online at its original url... getting booted from cloudflare does not by any means mean you have been banned from having a personal website (even if your content is reprehensible).