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Spoiler alert: they had help. Robinhood is a wolf in sheep's clothing - they are controlled by, and beholden to, criminal enterprises such as Citadel. This "in-

Spoiler alert: they had help. Robinhood is a wolf in sheep's clothing - they are controlled by, and beholden to, criminal enterprises such as Citadel. This "in-house" trade clearing system is actually Ken Griffin's personal honeypot. It is built for one, and only one purpose, and that is to fleece retail investors at all costs while simultaneously creating the appearance of being retail's champion. It's a neat trick, and I'd almost respect their enginuity if they weren't robbing people blind. I wouldn't touch Robinhood's products or common stock with a 100 foot pole, and neither should you. Edit: See my other comments below for an idea of how/why this works.

MrMan 4y ago
I also would ever use Robinhood instead of a reputable broker like TD Fidelity Vanguard IB etc. But not for the reasons you stipulated. Back office systems aren't put in place to "fleece" anyone.
- lake_vincent 4y ago
  Back office systems are exactly where Citadel, the market maker, could put a tiny little window to peep at data they shouldn't, so they can frontrun every trade retail investors make!! The secret ingredient is crime ;)
  - mywittyname 4y ago
    Sounds like they found a way to make the plot of Office Space work in real life.
    - sqeaky 4y ago
      Making that scheme work wouldn't be the hard part. The hard part is staying out of prison. I am not convinced this is true, but I see that the possibility is there, and it wouldn't even be the largest stock market scam that came to light.
  - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
    Doesn't every single large broker frontrun this way? That's what I was told by former wall street programmers.
adrr 4y ago
How ia a market maker robbing retail investors? Is that even possible?
- lake_vincent 4y ago
  Wouldn't it be wild if a market maker also controlled a hedge fund, and also had members installed on regulating bodies, but then like, PINKY PROMISED they wouldn't abuse their positions? And then imagine if the SEC were complicit because it's run by an ex-Goldman henchman? Nothing bad would happen, right?
  - adrr 4y ago
    You need to explain how a hedgefund or market maker makes money off retail investors?
    - lake_vincent 4y ago
      I really hate to do this because it sounds lazy, but I strongly encourage you to watch The Problem with Jon Stewart's episode on this. He explains it very well, and it's a lot of information, so if you are genuinely curious, I would highly recommend it. It will open your eyes to a level of criminal activity at the highest levels of our markets that will hopefully surprise you. It explains this, and more. https://www.theproblem.com/episode-5-the-problem-with-the-stock-market/ https://www.theproblem.com/episode-5-the-problem-with-the-st...
      - recuter 4y ago
        You've just watched a pretty good quibi of "The Problem with Jon Stewart's viewers".
cercatrova 4y ago
This is straight out of /r/superstonk or /r/wallstreetbets. The conspiracy theories about Citadel, Ken Griffin and Robinhood rival QAnon levels of culting. I've heard it said that these theories, including GME, are like QAnon for people interested in personal finance rather than politics.
- lake_vincent 4y ago
  Lol, right, because things like this have never happened before. In particular, the years 1998 - 2008 were devoid of financial crime, and are a decade of restrained, ethical capitalism that we should all aspire to. Gentlemen of Wall Street today are just trying to return us to that gilded age, and any suggestion to the contrary is conspiratorial madness I do say, good chap! Thank you for pointing out my severe mental illness and inability to think clearly about such lofty matters. I'll go take my meds now.
  - cercatrova 4y ago
    Well, I suppose there is no rehabilitating cult members. Your reasoning also doesn't make much sense, we can agree that there is financial crime in that time period while also acknowledging that superstonk-esque manipulation isn't happening. You're basically trying to equivocate that just because something in the category of financial crime happened before that it must also be the case that your Ken Griffin conspiracy theory is also true. It's a more general fallacy that is often seen online, not just in this instance.
    - lake_vincent 4y ago
      It's the exact opposite, bud. You very strongly compared my theories with QAnon, which is actual Alice-in-Wonderland level crazy. To compare financial crime theories that (given the precedent) could very well be true , to fucking QAnon is ridiculous, and I found it extremely condescending. You can disagree, and you can bring up valid arguments, but your posture was offensive and has no place here.
  - lmm 4y ago

MrMan 4y ago

I also would ever use Robinhood instead of a reputable broker like TD Fidelity Vanguard IB etc. But not for the reasons you stipulated. Back office systems aren't put in place to "fleece" anyone.

lake_vincent 4y ago
Back office systems are exactly where Citadel, the market maker, could put a tiny little window to peep at data they shouldn't, so they can frontrun every trade retail investors make!! The secret ingredient is crime ;)
- mywittyname 4y ago
  Sounds like they found a way to make the plot of Office Space work in real life.
  - sqeaky 4y ago
    Making that scheme work wouldn't be the hard part. The hard part is staying out of prison. I am not convinced this is true, but I see that the possibility is there, and it wouldn't even be the largest stock market scam that came to light.
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  Doesn't every single large broker frontrun this way? That's what I was told by former wall street programmers.

adrr 4y ago

How ia a market maker robbing retail investors? Is that even possible?

lake_vincent 4y ago
Wouldn't it be wild if a market maker also controlled a hedge fund, and also had members installed on regulating bodies, but then like, PINKY PROMISED they wouldn't abuse their positions? And then imagine if the SEC were complicit because it's run by an ex-Goldman henchman? Nothing bad would happen, right?
- adrr 4y ago
  You need to explain how a hedgefund or market maker makes money off retail investors?
  - lake_vincent 4y ago
    I really hate to do this because it sounds lazy, but I strongly encourage you to watch The Problem with Jon Stewart's episode on this. He explains it very well, and it's a lot of information, so if you are genuinely curious, I would highly recommend it. It will open your eyes to a level of criminal activity at the highest levels of our markets that will hopefully surprise you. It explains this, and more. https://www.theproblem.com/episode-5-the-problem-with-the-stock-market/ https://www.theproblem.com/episode-5-the-problem-with-the-st...
    - recuter 4y ago
      You've just watched a pretty good quibi of "The Problem with Jon Stewart's viewers".

cercatrova 4y ago

This is straight out of /r/superstonk or /r/wallstreetbets. The conspiracy theories about Citadel, Ken Griffin and Robinhood rival QAnon levels of culting. I've heard it said that these theories, including GME, are like QAnon for people interested in personal finance rather than politics.

lake_vincent 4y ago
Lol, right, because things like this have never happened before. In particular, the years 1998 - 2008 were devoid of financial crime, and are a decade of restrained, ethical capitalism that we should all aspire to. Gentlemen of Wall Street today are just trying to return us to that gilded age, and any suggestion to the contrary is conspiratorial madness I do say, good chap! Thank you for pointing out my severe mental illness and inability to think clearly about such lofty matters. I'll go take my meds now.
- cercatrova 4y ago
  Well, I suppose there is no rehabilitating cult members. Your reasoning also doesn't make much sense, we can agree that there is financial crime in that time period while also acknowledging that superstonk-esque manipulation isn't happening. You're basically trying to equivocate that just because something in the category of financial crime happened before that it must also be the case that your Ken Griffin conspiracy theory is also true. It's a more general fallacy that is often seen online, not just in this instance.
  - lake_vincent 4y ago
    It's the exact opposite, bud. You very strongly compared my theories with QAnon, which is actual Alice-in-Wonderland level crazy. To compare financial crime theories that (given the precedent) could very well be true , to fucking QAnon is ridiculous, and I found it extremely condescending. You can disagree, and you can bring up valid arguments, but your posture was offensive and has no place here.
- lmm 4y ago