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3. Every other app has to ask user to "opt in", default is "opt out" while for apples own prompt the user has to "opt out", default is "opt in". This alone is e

3. Every other app has to ask user to "opt in", default is "opt out" while for apples own prompt the user has to "opt out", default is "opt in". This alone is evidence they are not subject to the same restrictions.

dkonofalski 4y ago
Do you have any evidence of this? Setting up an iPhone or iPad asks the user to opt-in to Apple's tracking. The only reason it would be opt-out is if you opted in previously and a software update has revised the permissions/tracking for that app. If you've previously opted-in, then the default is not opt-in. You're just seeing it that way because of your previous allowance.
- maskedinvader 4y ago
  Maybe youre right, that its remembering previous opt in setting and defaulting to opt when setting up new iphone, but I am 100% sure its not the same behavior for other 3rd party apps, they always default opt out regardless what option you chose the previous time you installed the app.
halostatue 4y ago
Not quite. Apps subject to ATT rules have to ask permission to permit tracking across apps and/or websites. All apps have to declare what personal information that they’re interested in. Here’s a link to Numbers: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/numbers/id409203825?mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/numbers/id409203825?mt=12 It declares: Data Linked to You The following data, which may be collected and linked to your identity, may be used for the following purposes: Analytics Identifiers User ID Device ID Usage Data Product Interaction Diagnostics Performance Data Other Diagnostic Data App Functionality Contact Info Email Address Name Phone Number User Content Photos or Videos Audio Data Other User Content Identifiers User ID My bet is that the Stocks app says the same thing, and that people are confusing OS data collection permissions with app data collection permissions.
- FireBeyond 4y ago
  > people are confusing OS data collection permissions with app data collection permissions Is that a meaningful distinction? "Oh, yes, we _do_ collect data from you, but have no fear, it's from the OS, not from an app!" Either way, data is collected.
  - halostatue 4y ago
    It is meaningful in that people generally have separate expectations from the OS itself than from apps. That is, IMO the current hullabaloo about the Apple stock app (which can be uninstalled), etc. is nonsensical as it would fall under the privacy declaration of the app, not under the OS itself—but it’s presented as an iOS problem. It may be an Apple problem regardless, but OS settings about data collection do not control app settings about data collection. Should the apps have those data collection settings? Certainly. But now you’re getting into something that Apple would be building that you can guaran-damn-tee that they will force other applications to implement (because it’s good for the user).
throwntoday 4y ago
You're being disengenous, Apple's own apps request location data the same as any other. I know this because of having denied the permission when prompted.
- maskedinvader 4y ago
  I was talking about the apple os prompts when setting up a new iphone/ipad.
  - throwntoday 4y ago
    Yeah I just setup a new phone and the prompt is "would you like to enable location services?" then it lists the reasons it will use it, including weather, find my, etc. I typically hit disable there, and then manually enable it for the things I do want to give access to.

dkonofalski 4y ago

Do you have any evidence of this? Setting up an iPhone or iPad asks the user to opt-in to Apple's tracking. The only reason it would be opt-out is if you opted in previously and a software update has revised the permissions/tracking for that app. If you've previously opted-in, then the default is not opt-in. You're just seeing it that way because of your previous allowance.

maskedinvader 4y ago
Maybe youre right, that its remembering previous opt in setting and defaulting to opt when setting up new iphone, but I am 100% sure its not the same behavior for other 3rd party apps, they always default opt out regardless what option you chose the previous time you installed the app.

halostatue 4y ago

Not quite. Apps subject to ATT rules have to ask permission to permit tracking across apps and/or websites. All apps have to declare what personal information that they’re interested in. Here’s a link to Numbers: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/numbers/id409203825?mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/numbers/id409203825?mt=12 It declares: Data Linked to You The following data, which may be collected and linked to your identity, may be used for the following purposes: Analytics Identifiers User ID Device ID Usage Data Product Interaction Diagnostics Performance Data Other Diagnostic Data App Functionality Contact Info Email Address Name Phone Number User Content Photos or Videos Audio Data Other User Content Identifiers User ID My bet is that the Stocks app says the same thing, and that people are confusing OS data collection permissions with app data collection permissions.

FireBeyond 4y ago
> people are confusing OS data collection permissions with app data collection permissions Is that a meaningful distinction? "Oh, yes, we _do_ collect data from you, but have no fear, it's from the OS, not from an app!" Either way, data is collected.
- halostatue 4y ago
  It is meaningful in that people generally have separate expectations from the OS itself than from apps. That is, IMO the current hullabaloo about the Apple stock app (which can be uninstalled), etc. is nonsensical as it would fall under the privacy declaration of the app, not under the OS itself—but it’s presented as an iOS problem. It may be an Apple problem regardless, but OS settings about data collection do not control app settings about data collection. Should the apps have those data collection settings? Certainly. But now you’re getting into something that Apple would be building that you can guaran-damn-tee that they will force other applications to implement (because it’s good for the user).

throwntoday 4y ago

You're being disengenous, Apple's own apps request location data the same as any other. I know this because of having denied the permission when prompted.

maskedinvader 4y ago
I was talking about the apple os prompts when setting up a new iphone/ipad.
- throwntoday 4y ago
  Yeah I just setup a new phone and the prompt is "would you like to enable location services?" then it lists the reasons it will use it, including weather, find my, etc. I typically hit disable there, and then manually enable it for the things I do want to give access to.