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I can't think of any reason a consumer would benefit from this over a credit or debit card. Except maybe if they regularly overdraft and prefer a $5 fee to what

I can't think of any reason a consumer would benefit from this over a credit or debit card. Except maybe if they regularly overdraft and prefer a $5 fee to whatever their bank charges.

dlsspy 15y ago
What about the ones they list? Merchants having to pay a lot to process your money makes things more expensive. That affects you.
- andrenotgiant 15y ago
  But for it to turn into a direct benefit for you, merchants would have to give you a discount for using Dwolla. Does that/can that happen?
  - jerguismi 15y ago
    That can't happen, since credit card companies won't allow this. However, some merchants could accept _only_ dwolla, which could change the game.
    - stickfigure 15y ago
      Don't discount the possibility that this might be fixed with legislation.
    - frankydp 15y ago
      CC would be against this but isn't the target merchant the one that does not already take CCs? Street merchant, plumber, kid that shovels my driveway, or wheeled merchant.
  - jessegavin 15y ago
    That's exactly my point. In order for me to want to use Dwolla (and pay the $3 set up) I would have to believe that enough merchants out there will let me pay with Dwolla that I would get some unique benefit for using it. Dwolla is awesome for merchants and neutral for consumers.
  - praxeologist 15y ago
    I give my customers rewards points for using Dwolla which they don't get when paying with other methods. I'm more of a small business and have to micromanage this all though. (I didn't know this is supposedly against CC terms too haha) I don't see why my average (online) customer is going to pay $3/mo for this, but then I am probably the only place they are using Dwolla. Also, I am very hands on with them and just take "their word" or fill an order when I get the notice that the 2-3 day travel of funds from their bank to Dwolla is good. Again, I think this Instant thing all ties back to the CU Exchange feature I discussed before. Dwolla tries to forge a sort of deal where this bank's customers get Instant without the $3/mo fee and Dwolla + the bank chop the other half of money made in "transit time interest". Long term, I see the success of Instant tied to this, banks being able to offer free Instant as a perk with an account with them, versus Instant used as a cheaper overdraft or standalone feature.
  - angryasian 15y ago
    this is exactly the point, unless merchants actually display the discount you receive vs using a credit card then it doesn't matter. More than likely merchants will swallow the profits, and consumers won't see the benefit. I earn quite a bit from rewards points as well, the difference in monetary savings vs credit cards would have to be proportional.
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pbreit 15y ago
It's targeted more for situations where credit/debit cards are not currently accepted. For example, large transactions for professional services. Think of it more as replacing checks, not cards.
- miles_matthias 15y ago
  That is one of the goals but the other goal is reducing the cost for the merchant. Merchants will prefer you to pay with Dwolla as opposed to a credit card because they don't give up as big of a fee on each transaction, this earning them more revenue.
  - pbreit 15y ago
    Maybe. But 2-3% is about the right price for a financial txn between strangers, especially when not face-to-face.
    - eridius 15y ago
      Why? Why should there be a percentage-based fee at all for financial transactions? This is an idea that credit card companies have pushed onto the world, but there's no reason it needs to be accepted as fact.
      - pbreit 15y ago
        I didn't really mean all. I did say between strangers and especially when the two are not face-to-face. Two other qualifiers: 1) when "good funds" need to be transferred immediately and 2) for dollar ranges from around $10 to $1,000. This makes up the vast majority of retail commerce for which credit cards are so well suited and widely used. Best approach is to look for areas where credit cards are not widely used instead of trying to displace them in areas where they work really (really, really) well.
- tryitnow 15y ago
  I've been wondering why I would use this and I think this comment hits the nail on the head. But why would want to pay $3? Big payments are usually pretty well-timed and don't need to be "instant." Hmmm, not sure where Dwolla is going with this, it seems to make more sense to laser focus on those who would find the most use for their product (big ticket buyers and sellers, not people buying a t-shirt on a whim).

I can't think of any reason a consumer would benefit from this over a credit or debit card. Except maybe if they regularly overdraft and prefer a $5 fee to whatever their bank charges.

dlsspy 15y ago

What about the ones they list? Merchants having to pay a lot to process your money makes things more expensive. That affects you.

andrenotgiant 15y ago
But for it to turn into a direct benefit for you, merchants would have to give you a discount for using Dwolla. Does that/can that happen?
- jerguismi 15y ago
  That can't happen, since credit card companies won't allow this. However, some merchants could accept _only_ dwolla, which could change the game.
  - stickfigure 15y ago
    Don't discount the possibility that this might be fixed with legislation.
  - frankydp 15y ago
    CC would be against this but isn't the target merchant the one that does not already take CCs? Street merchant, plumber, kid that shovels my driveway, or wheeled merchant.
- jessegavin 15y ago
  That's exactly my point. In order for me to want to use Dwolla (and pay the $3 set up) I would have to believe that enough merchants out there will let me pay with Dwolla that I would get some unique benefit for using it. Dwolla is awesome for merchants and neutral for consumers.
- praxeologist 15y ago
  I give my customers rewards points for using Dwolla which they don't get when paying with other methods. I'm more of a small business and have to micromanage this all though. (I didn't know this is supposedly against CC terms too haha) I don't see why my average (online) customer is going to pay $3/mo for this, but then I am probably the only place they are using Dwolla. Also, I am very hands on with them and just take "their word" or fill an order when I get the notice that the 2-3 day travel of funds from their bank to Dwolla is good. Again, I think this Instant thing all ties back to the CU Exchange feature I discussed before. Dwolla tries to forge a sort of deal where this bank's customers get Instant without the $3/mo fee and Dwolla + the bank chop the other half of money made in "transit time interest". Long term, I see the success of Instant tied to this, banks being able to offer free Instant as a perk with an account with them, versus Instant used as a cheaper overdraft or standalone feature.
- angryasian 15y ago
  this is exactly the point, unless merchants actually display the discount you receive vs using a credit card then it doesn't matter. More than likely merchants will swallow the profits, and consumers won't see the benefit. I earn quite a bit from rewards points as well, the difference in monetary savings vs credit cards would have to be proportional.
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pbreit 15y ago

It's targeted more for situations where credit/debit cards are not currently accepted. For example, large transactions for professional services. Think of it more as replacing checks, not cards.

miles_matthias 15y ago
That is one of the goals but the other goal is reducing the cost for the merchant. Merchants will prefer you to pay with Dwolla as opposed to a credit card because they don't give up as big of a fee on each transaction, this earning them more revenue.
- pbreit 15y ago
  Maybe. But 2-3% is about the right price for a financial txn between strangers, especially when not face-to-face.
  - eridius 15y ago
    Why? Why should there be a percentage-based fee at all for financial transactions? This is an idea that credit card companies have pushed onto the world, but there's no reason it needs to be accepted as fact.
    - pbreit 15y ago
      I didn't really mean all. I did say between strangers and especially when the two are not face-to-face. Two other qualifiers: 1) when "good funds" need to be transferred immediately and 2) for dollar ranges from around $10 to $1,000. This makes up the vast majority of retail commerce for which credit cards are so well suited and widely used. Best approach is to look for areas where credit cards are not widely used instead of trying to displace them in areas where they work really (really, really) well.
tryitnow 15y ago
I've been wondering why I would use this and I think this comment hits the nail on the head. But why would want to pay $3? Big payments are usually pretty well-timed and don't need to be "instant." Hmmm, not sure where Dwolla is going with this, it seems to make more sense to laser focus on those who would find the most use for their product (big ticket buyers and sellers, not people buying a t-shirt on a whim).