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This is typical NYT reporting on tech. "I literally heard it from NYT reporters at the time. There was a top-down decision that tech could not be covered posit

by ciphol 4y ago

This is typical NYT reporting on tech. "I literally heard it from NYT reporters at the time. There was a top-down decision that tech could not be covered positively, even when there was a true, newsworthy and positive story. I'd never heard anything like it." [1] [1] https://twitter.com/KelseyTuoc/status/1588231892792328192 https://twitter.com/KelseyTuoc/status/1588231892792328192

nindalf 4y ago
This decision matters because the NYT influences other journalists to a large degree. The person who took that autocratic decision was AG Sulzberger, the 37-year old publisher and chairman of the NYT. Surely a man wielding so much power and influence would have earned the post through merit and hard work, right? In reality it’s a hereditary post of the Sulzberger family. It’s shocking that a man who is a product of nepotism has so little written about him. Where’s the investigative reporting into this momentous decision 5 years ago? Where’s the criticism for biasing reporters in this manner? There’s nothing because the family is that powerful.
- hoseja 4y ago
  - aliqot 4y ago
    >I don't want to Yepost but an explanation really presents itself. What is yepost?
    - pedrosorio 4y ago
      Ye: Kanye West (recently famous for his antisemitism on twitter posts and interviews with the media) yepost: presumably posting antisemitic comments
      - aliqot 4y ago
        Ho boy. I had to look that one up. Time's just flying these days- I put my head down for 5 mins to clear out some projects and the whole world is losing it.
  - trashtester 4y ago
    Not only does this mirror Ye's antisemitism, it's also inaccurate. The NY times is controlled by his family for generations. Essentially, it's a family business. And it's pretty common for control of family businesses to be inherited. Second, with only 1 Jewish grandparent, even the link to Judaism is rather thin, unless you use the definition of Jew that was used in Germany in the 30s and early 40s.
    - hoseja 4y ago
- justin66 4y ago
  > The person who took that autocratic decision was AG Sulzberger, What evidence is there of this? Asking because it's not traditionally the case that the NYT editorial staff needs to be interfered with by ownership in order to make terrible decisions.
  - msteffen 4y ago
    Matt Yglesias claimed it in a meme: https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1588193914640539658 https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1588193914640...
  - nindalf 4y ago
    This wasn’t instructions to the editorial staff, it was to the regular reporters. This is alleged by reporters who heard of it second hand. I wish I could link you to the investigative exposé about this decision published by the NYT, but they don’t look inward. And no other paper looked at them either. Instead they sycophantically copied the same direction to investigate tech.
    - justin66 4y ago
      > they don’t look inward On that point we can agree.
  - fmajid 4y ago
    Not so at all. The Judy Miller warmongering fiasco was directly attributable to Arthur Ochs Sulzberger (A.G. Sulzberger's dad), whose favorite she was for whatever reason.
- FlyingSnake 4y ago
  quis custodiet ipsos custodes. You lose faith in media once you know that the same journalistic scrutiny is applied to the person at helm of NYT.
- uMeanPpl 4y ago
  A man wielding so much power and influence I’ve never heard of them. Start a campaign against them. Oh that’s right it’s on everyone else to organize as you desire. Paranoid delusions of the anti-social crowd is all this rambling adds up to.
  - nindalf 4y ago
    > that I’ve never heard of him That’s my whole point, which flew right over your head. This is a man who has inherited power and influence. There’s no incentive for the NYT to investigate their own publisher + chairman. There seems to be little appetite for anyone else to do so either. So basically there’s no scrutiny of how he wields his power, or how nepotism is rife at the top of the NYT. That’s why you haven’t heard of him. Do you understand now?
    - uMeanPpl 4y ago
      There’s no sense believing he has power and influence. I’ve never heard of him? What power and influence? What paper named NYT? Do you understand how to deal with figurative displays of power? They’re not going to come after us if we actively promote the idea they’re actually weak and useless. Turn public sentiment against the idea of ephemeral power and value stores.
chrchang523 4y ago
This is incidentally a valid reason for HN to blacklist the NYT domain, at least until a formal reversal of the policy.
jollyllama 4y ago
The tweets are remarkably scant on details as to when this occurred. Unless it's just assumed that nothing older than a week is ever discussed, in the current zeitgeist.
uMeanPpl 4y ago
Right sure no one on Twitter has an angle to push with vague statements I mishear or take things out of context all the time. I’m sure this random Twitter person is not misremembering. You’re being played emotionally.

by ciphol 4y ago

nindalf 4y ago

This decision matters because the NYT influences other journalists to a large degree. The person who took that autocratic decision was AG Sulzberger, the 37-year old publisher and chairman of the NYT. Surely a man wielding so much power and influence would have earned the post through merit and hard work, right? In reality it’s a hereditary post of the Sulzberger family. It’s shocking that a man who is a product of nepotism has so little written about him. Where’s the investigative reporting into this momentous decision 5 years ago? Where’s the criticism for biasing reporters in this manner? There’s nothing because the family is that powerful.

hoseja 4y ago
- aliqot 4y ago
  >I don't want to Yepost but an explanation really presents itself. What is yepost?
  - pedrosorio 4y ago
    Ye: Kanye West (recently famous for his antisemitism on twitter posts and interviews with the media) yepost: presumably posting antisemitic comments
    - aliqot 4y ago
      Ho boy. I had to look that one up. Time's just flying these days- I put my head down for 5 mins to clear out some projects and the whole world is losing it.
- trashtester 4y ago
  Not only does this mirror Ye's antisemitism, it's also inaccurate. The NY times is controlled by his family for generations. Essentially, it's a family business. And it's pretty common for control of family businesses to be inherited. Second, with only 1 Jewish grandparent, even the link to Judaism is rather thin, unless you use the definition of Jew that was used in Germany in the 30s and early 40s.
  - hoseja 4y ago
justin66 4y ago
> The person who took that autocratic decision was AG Sulzberger, What evidence is there of this? Asking because it's not traditionally the case that the NYT editorial staff needs to be interfered with by ownership in order to make terrible decisions.
- msteffen 4y ago
  Matt Yglesias claimed it in a meme: https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1588193914640539658 https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1588193914640...
- nindalf 4y ago
  This wasn’t instructions to the editorial staff, it was to the regular reporters. This is alleged by reporters who heard of it second hand. I wish I could link you to the investigative exposé about this decision published by the NYT, but they don’t look inward. And no other paper looked at them either. Instead they sycophantically copied the same direction to investigate tech.
  - justin66 4y ago
    > they don’t look inward On that point we can agree.
- fmajid 4y ago
  Not so at all. The Judy Miller warmongering fiasco was directly attributable to Arthur Ochs Sulzberger (A.G. Sulzberger's dad), whose favorite she was for whatever reason.
FlyingSnake 4y ago
quis custodiet ipsos custodes. You lose faith in media once you know that the same journalistic scrutiny is applied to the person at helm of NYT.
uMeanPpl 4y ago
A man wielding so much power and influence I’ve never heard of them. Start a campaign against them. Oh that’s right it’s on everyone else to organize as you desire. Paranoid delusions of the anti-social crowd is all this rambling adds up to.
- nindalf 4y ago
  > that I’ve never heard of him That’s my whole point, which flew right over your head. This is a man who has inherited power and influence. There’s no incentive for the NYT to investigate their own publisher + chairman. There seems to be little appetite for anyone else to do so either. So basically there’s no scrutiny of how he wields his power, or how nepotism is rife at the top of the NYT. That’s why you haven’t heard of him. Do you understand now?
  - uMeanPpl 4y ago
    There’s no sense believing he has power and influence. I’ve never heard of him? What power and influence? What paper named NYT? Do you understand how to deal with figurative displays of power? They’re not going to come after us if we actively promote the idea they’re actually weak and useless. Turn public sentiment against the idea of ephemeral power and value stores.

chrchang523 4y ago

This is incidentally a valid reason for HN to blacklist the NYT domain, at least until a formal reversal of the policy.

jollyllama 4y ago

The tweets are remarkably scant on details as to when this occurred. Unless it's just assumed that nothing older than a week is ever discussed, in the current zeitgeist.

uMeanPpl 4y ago

Right sure no one on Twitter has an angle to push with vague statements I mishear or take things out of context all the time. I’m sure this random Twitter person is not misremembering. You’re being played emotionally.