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Don't forget the fact that you had to see a command line, no general user should ever see a command line.

mellavora 4y ago
> no general user should ever see a command line. Gack! Why not? If the computer is supposed to be a "bicycle for the mind", then shouldn't it be designed to enhance our thinking, and also to force us to "think differently"? You have to learn how to ride a bike. It involves some scraped knees.
- rchaud 4y ago
  Imagine a stationary bike that you have in your home. Do you want to place it smack dab in your living room? Or leave it in the garage, out of plain sight, and access it only when needed?
  - user_ 4y ago
    Definitely in the living room. Tools like the command line and exercise equipment help improve capability and personal agency. Hiding either away pushes the default toward passive consumption.
    - Karsteski 4y ago
      Even though I agree with you on a personal level, this kind of thinking does not lead to mainstream adoption. If there were a Linux distro that "just worked", we could have the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be something that will happen in the foreseeable future. I'd love for a company like System76 to come out with such a solution, but it is certainly an expensive, difficult endeavour.
- Johanx64 4y ago
  How does typing cryptic, badly named two-three letter commands (with no less idiotic and inconsistent flags) enhance your thinking? The default shell and utter lack of well designed autocomplete or hints is a like a bad trip back to tape machines, punch codes and weird idiosyncracies from a bygone PDP11 era. It's absolute piss and nobody should be dealing with it unless they want to for whatever reason.
  - bakugo 4y ago
    If 'apt install name-of-software' is cryptic to you, I'm sorry but you should get that checked out.
    - sylens 4y ago
      Consider that many users of computers think any search box is Google and any word processor is Microsoft Word
      - bakugo 4y ago
        Maybe those people should take some time out of their lives to learn the basics of how computers work instead of expecting the computers to be dumbed down to their level at the expense of their usefulness to others.
    - Johanx64 4y ago
      How is apt not crypic? It's the bona fide definition of it, every part of it. 1. It spits out mountains of cryptic gibberish when you use it. 2. It literally contains "Advanced" in it's textbook nondescript three letter abbreviation. 3. Without a fairly intimate understanding of it's hairy inner workings on how exactly dependency and package conflicts are resolved, it will fuck things up and fuck things up quite royaly. Matter of time really. Case in point: Linus from LTT removing DE when installing Steam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3HAS257Kk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3HAS257Kk) 4. In fact, I'd go a step further and say that it WILL fuck things up even if you do understand that whole house of cards, but you will atleast know how to duct tape your way out of it. Again reminder: How exactly does this enchance "our thinking" in any shape or form exactly?
thesuitonym 4y ago
You don't have to use the command line to update. Ubuntu comes with a GUI for apt. I think it's just called Discover.

> no general user should ever see a command line. Gack! Why not? If the computer is supposed to be a "bicycle for the mind", then shouldn't it be designed to enhance our thinking, and also to force us to "think differently"? You have to learn how to ride a bike. It involves some scraped knees.

rchaud 4y ago
Imagine a stationary bike that you have in your home. Do you want to place it smack dab in your living room? Or leave it in the garage, out of plain sight, and access it only when needed?
- user_ 4y ago
  Definitely in the living room. Tools like the command line and exercise equipment help improve capability and personal agency. Hiding either away pushes the default toward passive consumption.
  - Karsteski 4y ago
    Even though I agree with you on a personal level, this kind of thinking does not lead to mainstream adoption. If there were a Linux distro that "just worked", we could have the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be something that will happen in the foreseeable future. I'd love for a company like System76 to come out with such a solution, but it is certainly an expensive, difficult endeavour.
Johanx64 4y ago
How does typing cryptic, badly named two-three letter commands (with no less idiotic and inconsistent flags) enhance your thinking? The default shell and utter lack of well designed autocomplete or hints is a like a bad trip back to tape machines, punch codes and weird idiosyncracies from a bygone PDP11 era. It's absolute piss and nobody should be dealing with it unless they want to for whatever reason.
- bakugo 4y ago
  If 'apt install name-of-software' is cryptic to you, I'm sorry but you should get that checked out.
  - sylens 4y ago
    Consider that many users of computers think any search box is Google and any word processor is Microsoft Word
    - bakugo 4y ago
      Maybe those people should take some time out of their lives to learn the basics of how computers work instead of expecting the computers to be dumbed down to their level at the expense of their usefulness to others.
  - Johanx64 4y ago
    How is apt not crypic? It's the bona fide definition of it, every part of it. 1. It spits out mountains of cryptic gibberish when you use it. 2. It literally contains "Advanced" in it's textbook nondescript three letter abbreviation. 3. Without a fairly intimate understanding of it's hairy inner workings on how exactly dependency and package conflicts are resolved, it will fuck things up and fuck things up quite royaly. Matter of time really. Case in point: Linus from LTT removing DE when installing Steam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3HAS257Kk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3HAS257Kk) 4. In fact, I'd go a step further and say that it WILL fuck things up even if you do understand that whole house of cards, but you will atleast know how to duct tape your way out of it. Again reminder: How exactly does this enchance "our thinking" in any shape or form exactly?

thesuitonym 4y ago

You don't have to use the command line to update. Ubuntu comes with a GUI for apt. I think it's just called Discover.