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I dislike Elon Musk as much as the next guy but why are people upset about Twitter burning to the ground? It’s just another paint brush used to paint the downfa

by tjr225 4y ago

I dislike Elon Musk as much as the next guy but why are people upset about Twitter burning to the ground? It’s just another paint brush used to paint the downfall of our society. Good riddance. I hope Elon goes under with them. This is a platform built on driving clicks and driving clicks on fear and anger. More fear = more clicks = more ad revenue = negative feedback loop. Just like the New York Times. Just like NPR. Just like Fox News. Just like Reddit. Just another piece of shit we should all enjoy watching burn into the ground. Spend some time with your family. We will all be incredibly lucky if this ad-tech insanity falls apart.

koyanisqatsi 4y ago
I don't think ad-tech is going away anytime soon. It would be nice but it's not gonna happen because the fundamental problem is not the ads but the fact that most social networks are not sustainable without advertising so the platform participants end up being treated like cash cows that are milked for all they're worth. If Twitter was paid for by its participants then they would not have to put up with advertisers. Right now the advertisers subsidize the operational costs so they get to dictate what features are developed and what kind of invasive access they have to behavioral data for optimizing their marketing campaigns.
- tcmart14 4y ago
  And the worst part. I think there are a lot of us who would be willing to pay for being on a good social network without ads, but I don't think there is enough of us. Too many people have been trained via myspace, facebook and twitter that social media is just "free." It it is going to be hard to change the masses on that.
  - hnfong 4y ago
    As long as somebody has friends who can't afford say $10 per month for social media, the network effect takes over and the result will inevitably be ad-ridden crap. I might be willing to pay to turn off ads and tracking on such a platform, but if all the middle-class+ people pay to turn off ads, which advertisers would want to spend money targeting "poor" people and people too cheap to pay a couple dollars for using social media?
- tjr225 4y ago
  Unfortunately I agree with you. Nobody is going to pay for a screaming match, though. The fact that it was free is the only reason we’re here. Maybe this will shake out just fine anyway.
akudha 4y ago
It doesn’t matter if Twitter burns to the ground. Some other shitty website will take its place. Instead of raging against shitty media, we should concentrate on creating better media. It is exceptionally hard though. There are independent (relatively) media like TYT. These have their own problems, but at least they’re better than shit like Fox
- tjr225 4y ago
  Ok but I’m not raging, I just don’t know why I should care about any of this in spite of it being shoved into my face 24/7 for weeks at a time???

by tjr225 4y ago

koyanisqatsi 4y ago

I don't think ad-tech is going away anytime soon. It would be nice but it's not gonna happen because the fundamental problem is not the ads but the fact that most social networks are not sustainable without advertising so the platform participants end up being treated like cash cows that are milked for all they're worth. If Twitter was paid for by its participants then they would not have to put up with advertisers. Right now the advertisers subsidize the operational costs so they get to dictate what features are developed and what kind of invasive access they have to behavioral data for optimizing their marketing campaigns.

tcmart14 4y ago
And the worst part. I think there are a lot of us who would be willing to pay for being on a good social network without ads, but I don't think there is enough of us. Too many people have been trained via myspace, facebook and twitter that social media is just "free." It it is going to be hard to change the masses on that.
- hnfong 4y ago
  As long as somebody has friends who can't afford say $10 per month for social media, the network effect takes over and the result will inevitably be ad-ridden crap. I might be willing to pay to turn off ads and tracking on such a platform, but if all the middle-class+ people pay to turn off ads, which advertisers would want to spend money targeting "poor" people and people too cheap to pay a couple dollars for using social media?
tjr225 4y ago
Unfortunately I agree with you. Nobody is going to pay for a screaming match, though. The fact that it was free is the only reason we’re here. Maybe this will shake out just fine anyway.

akudha 4y ago

It doesn’t matter if Twitter burns to the ground. Some other shitty website will take its place. Instead of raging against shitty media, we should concentrate on creating better media. It is exceptionally hard though. There are independent (relatively) media like TYT. These have their own problems, but at least they’re better than shit like Fox

tjr225 4y ago
Ok but I’m not raging, I just don’t know why I should care about any of this in spite of it being shoved into my face 24/7 for weeks at a time???