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Well written and kind response. Thank you for doing this. We could use a bit more of this on HN.

by maslam 4y ago

mythhouse 4y ago
> The 'high' or 'dominant' castes make up more that more than 90% of Indian migrants as per a study in 2016. > The backward castes of South Asia, known as Dalits, form 1.5% of all Indian immigrants to the United States Calling me ignorant and a passive aggressive "forgive you" without actually addressing my comment isn't "kind". GP came here with a stem degree worth millions of dollars in lifetime earnings , NOT $30 in pocket ( which was used as a proof of "not privileged" ) Grossly misrepresenting oneself and denying privilege is not kind.
- hardware2win 4y ago
  >GP came here with a stem degree worth millions of dollars Degree helps you at the beginning of the career After you have exp and knowledge It becomes less and less relevant It is impossible to predict value of degree Just like the value of connections
  - mythhouse 4y ago
    > It is impossible to predict value of degree Surely a stem degree and an opportunity to get a post graduate stem degree in a blazing hot tech market is worth more than $30. Do you really think GP and a venezuelan asylee have same amount of privilege because they both came over with $30 in their pockets. Yet that was the logic GP used to justify his lack of privilege.
    - hardware2win 4y ago
      All im saying is that you are probably giving degree too much value You guys over there seem to be treating degree like the only way to better life
      - felix_n 4y ago
        Read it over again Magoo: the subject is a specific kind of degree and how it opens doors for a specific industry in the Bay Area. A specific industry known for being insanely competitive and requiring almost comical qualifications to get in. Put the pieces together.
        hardware2win 4y ago
        I still stand with my point Degree is not worth this much.
        krageon 4y ago
        A degree gets you in the door at all and starts you off with a higher salary (I would say significantly so) than someone with no comparable education. Those two things are a huge advantage, both in terms of money and in terms of the odds that you will be able to start making it at all.
        hardware2win 4y ago
        Thats what i wrote - degree makes your start easier, but with years of exp. it becomes less and less relevant So the biggest salary gap is at the beginning and later everything is up to the skill If you want fancy jobs like Jane Street then "just" degree from random school may not be enough
        tstrimple 4y ago
        Your opinion is contradicted by reality. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/10/11/new-study-college-degree-carries-big-earnings-premium-but-other-factors-matter-too/?sh=64c1c62c35cd https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/10/11/new-...
        hardware2win 4y ago
        Correlation =/= causation People with degrees, especially in stem are small (in compare to all ppl) group of people who are willing to put multi year, intense effort studying non trivial things So yea, just those traits make them more likely to earn more Go ahead and give degree to somebody without skills in good paying jobs and see whether that person will be milions ahead too
- complexmango 4y ago
  Astounding to see racism and ignorance represented as virtue signaling so blatantly! Are you aware that the majority of STEM seats in Indian colleges are set aside for either affirmative action for ‘lower’ castes (itself an arbitrary criteria) and women? The average man in India is competing for approx 10% of college seats! And saying an Indian STEM degree is worth millions in lifetime earnings reveals even more ignorance - outside of a handful of colleges, the India higher education system is considered woefully inadequate, underfunded, pumping out graduates who only succeed out of personal initiative. Every major corporation in India essentially has a retraining program to actually teach what’s necessary for work. The worker training issue is one of the top challenges faced by businesses there. Perhaps it’s time you described your own ethnicity and background etc. Let’s learn a little more about where your biases flow from. If you actually grew up in India in the time period of the OP, or knew anything about it other than nonsense in woke publications, you would feel ashamed for your tone and envy and render a sincere apology to the OP.
  - mythhouse 4y ago
    I merely quoted some stats, stats are not racist. I read through your rant but didn't see an explanation of why only upper caste Indians are emigrating to usa. whats that about? How do only 30% of Indians make up 90+% indians in USA.
  - random314 4y ago
    > Are you aware that the majority of STEM seats in Indian colleges are set aside for either affirmative action for ‘lower’ castes (itself an arbitrary criteria) and women? And these seats are never filled and go to upper castes anyway? My class was supposed to be 50% low caste with 25% Dalits in a class of 60. There were literally 2 Dalits in my class. And of late, the OBC categories are being crowded in by upper castes through political action. A whole 50% of my class was actually "payment seats" where they paid double the fees to get seats with low entrance scores. Basically, a 50% quota for the privileged.
    - garfieldnate 4y ago
      Curious non-Indian here, how did you know that there were exactly two Dalits in your class? Is this a thing people talk about? Were they open about it? Or do you just recognize them on sight?

Well written and kind response. Thank you for doing this. We could use a bit more of this on HN.

by maslam 4y ago

Well written and kind response. Thank you for doing this. We could use a bit more of this on HN.

> The 'high' or 'dominant' castes make up more that more than 90% of Indian migrants as per a study in 2016. > The backward castes of South Asia, known as Dalits, form 1.5% of all Indian immigrants to the United States Calling me ignorant and a passive aggressive "forgive you" without actually addressing my comment isn't "kind". GP came here with a stem degree worth millions of dollars in lifetime earnings , NOT $30 in pocket ( which was used as a proof of "not privileged" ) Grossly misrepresenting oneself and denying privilege is not kind.

hardware2win 4y ago
>GP came here with a stem degree worth millions of dollars Degree helps you at the beginning of the career After you have exp and knowledge It becomes less and less relevant It is impossible to predict value of degree Just like the value of connections
- mythhouse 4y ago
  > It is impossible to predict value of degree Surely a stem degree and an opportunity to get a post graduate stem degree in a blazing hot tech market is worth more than $30. Do you really think GP and a venezuelan asylee have same amount of privilege because they both came over with $30 in their pockets. Yet that was the logic GP used to justify his lack of privilege.
  - hardware2win 4y ago
    All im saying is that you are probably giving degree too much value You guys over there seem to be treating degree like the only way to better life
    - felix_n 4y ago
      Read it over again Magoo: the subject is a specific kind of degree and how it opens doors for a specific industry in the Bay Area. A specific industry known for being insanely competitive and requiring almost comical qualifications to get in. Put the pieces together.
      - hardware2win 4y ago
        I still stand with my point Degree is not worth this much.
        krageon 4y ago
        A degree gets you in the door at all and starts you off with a higher salary (I would say significantly so) than someone with no comparable education. Those two things are a huge advantage, both in terms of money and in terms of the odds that you will be able to start making it at all.
        hardware2win 4y ago
        Thats what i wrote - degree makes your start easier, but with years of exp. it becomes less and less relevant So the biggest salary gap is at the beginning and later everything is up to the skill If you want fancy jobs like Jane Street then "just" degree from random school may not be enough
        tstrimple 4y ago
        Your opinion is contradicted by reality. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/10/11/new-study-college-degree-carries-big-earnings-premium-but-other-factors-matter-too/?sh=64c1c62c35cd https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/10/11/new-...
        hardware2win 4y ago
        Correlation =/= causation People with degrees, especially in stem are small (in compare to all ppl) group of people who are willing to put multi year, intense effort studying non trivial things So yea, just those traits make them more likely to earn more Go ahead and give degree to somebody without skills in good paying jobs and see whether that person will be milions ahead too
complexmango 4y ago
Astounding to see racism and ignorance represented as virtue signaling so blatantly! Are you aware that the majority of STEM seats in Indian colleges are set aside for either affirmative action for ‘lower’ castes (itself an arbitrary criteria) and women? The average man in India is competing for approx 10% of college seats! And saying an Indian STEM degree is worth millions in lifetime earnings reveals even more ignorance - outside of a handful of colleges, the India higher education system is considered woefully inadequate, underfunded, pumping out graduates who only succeed out of personal initiative. Every major corporation in India essentially has a retraining program to actually teach what’s necessary for work. The worker training issue is one of the top challenges faced by businesses there. Perhaps it’s time you described your own ethnicity and background etc. Let’s learn a little more about where your biases flow from. If you actually grew up in India in the time period of the OP, or knew anything about it other than nonsense in woke publications, you would feel ashamed for your tone and envy and render a sincere apology to the OP.
- mythhouse 4y ago
  I merely quoted some stats, stats are not racist. I read through your rant but didn't see an explanation of why only upper caste Indians are emigrating to usa. whats that about? How do only 30% of Indians make up 90+% indians in USA.
- random314 4y ago
  > Are you aware that the majority of STEM seats in Indian colleges are set aside for either affirmative action for ‘lower’ castes (itself an arbitrary criteria) and women? And these seats are never filled and go to upper castes anyway? My class was supposed to be 50% low caste with 25% Dalits in a class of 60. There were literally 2 Dalits in my class. And of late, the OBC categories are being crowded in by upper castes through political action. A whole 50% of my class was actually "payment seats" where they paid double the fees to get seats with low entrance scores. Basically, a 50% quota for the privileged.
  - garfieldnate 4y ago
    Curious non-Indian here, how did you know that there were exactly two Dalits in your class? Is this a thing people talk about? Were they open about it? Or do you just recognize them on sight?