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> After programming in elixir/erlang for ~8 years Are Elixir and Erlang very similar? Do they belong to the same family?

owyn 4y ago
Elixir compiles to bytecode for the Erlang VM (BEAM). I would put it in the same relationship category as Clojure and Java or Kotlin and Java. Different language but there's a lot of synergy in the libraries/ecosystem/etc. If something goes wrong in your Elixir application it would be a really good idea to understand Erlang and BEAM.
- macintux 4y ago
  I can't speak to Kotlin, but Clojure : Java :: Elixir : Erlang doesn't seem like a great analogy. Clojure and Java have very different philosophies, while Elixir has virtually identical semantics to Erlang.
  - transfire 4y ago
    Kotlin : Java :: Elixir :: Erlang Clojure : Java :: LFE : Erlang
    - macintux 4y ago
      Mayyyybe. LFE is still much closer to Erlang than Clojure is to Java.
      - Jtsummers 4y ago
        Yeah, I learned LFE a few years back after years of (sadly only) hobby Erlang programming. I don't think anything in it surprised me. It felt very much like: What if Erlang's syntax were replaced with sexprs and we used Lisp-y style macros? Clojure's relationship to Java is nowhere near the same. Knowing Erlang + Scheme and CL, LFE like exactly what I expected, with a strong Erlang vibe. Knowing Java + Scheme and CL, Clojure felt nothing like Java except that it could access Java classes and objects.
        macintux 4y ago
        Fundamentally the BEAM is very opinionated with a limited range of possible language designs that would work with it. No mutability, e.g. I love the opinionated, constrained nature of Erlang and the BEAM, vs the kitchen sink approach of Java and the JVM.
      - janosett 4y ago
        Maybe Scala : Java :: Elixir : Erlang
        anko 4y ago
        I'm not too sure - scala really has a crazy number of language features, which makes the scope of it way bigger. I'd say kotlin : Java is closer :)
        kaba0 4y ago
        Actually, scala ain’t that big of a language, especially not compared to kotlin. Scala just prefers a bit more complex, but full feature over adding many less complex features that cover the same deal, which is more similar to Kotlin.
calo_star 4y ago
I would even say Elixir IS Erlang, so is LFE.
bmitc 4y ago
At its core, Elixir is effectively a wrapper of Erlang but with small tweaks/wrappers of the core library, Ruby-ish syntax, piping with `|>`, Mix project management, Hex package management, ExUnit for testing, and several other quality of life improvements. Elixir can easily call Erlang code, which is not easy the other way around. The biggest difference is that Elixir has a vibrant community, big projects like Phoenix, LiveView, and Livebook.

owyn 4y ago

Elixir compiles to bytecode for the Erlang VM (BEAM). I would put it in the same relationship category as Clojure and Java or Kotlin and Java. Different language but there's a lot of synergy in the libraries/ecosystem/etc. If something goes wrong in your Elixir application it would be a really good idea to understand Erlang and BEAM.

macintux 4y ago
I can't speak to Kotlin, but Clojure : Java :: Elixir : Erlang doesn't seem like a great analogy. Clojure and Java have very different philosophies, while Elixir has virtually identical semantics to Erlang.
- transfire 4y ago
  Kotlin : Java :: Elixir :: Erlang Clojure : Java :: LFE : Erlang
  - macintux 4y ago
    Mayyyybe. LFE is still much closer to Erlang than Clojure is to Java.
    - Jtsummers 4y ago
      Yeah, I learned LFE a few years back after years of (sadly only) hobby Erlang programming. I don't think anything in it surprised me. It felt very much like: What if Erlang's syntax were replaced with sexprs and we used Lisp-y style macros? Clojure's relationship to Java is nowhere near the same. Knowing Erlang + Scheme and CL, LFE like exactly what I expected, with a strong Erlang vibe. Knowing Java + Scheme and CL, Clojure felt nothing like Java except that it could access Java classes and objects.
      - macintux 4y ago
        Fundamentally the BEAM is very opinionated with a limited range of possible language designs that would work with it. No mutability, e.g. I love the opinionated, constrained nature of Erlang and the BEAM, vs the kitchen sink approach of Java and the JVM.
    - janosett 4y ago
      Maybe Scala : Java :: Elixir : Erlang
      - anko 4y ago
        I'm not too sure - scala really has a crazy number of language features, which makes the scope of it way bigger. I'd say kotlin : Java is closer :)
        kaba0 4y ago
        Actually, scala ain’t that big of a language, especially not compared to kotlin. Scala just prefers a bit more complex, but full feature over adding many less complex features that cover the same deal, which is more similar to Kotlin.

calo_star 4y ago

I would even say Elixir IS Erlang, so is LFE.

bmitc 4y ago

At its core, Elixir is effectively a wrapper of Erlang but with small tweaks/wrappers of the core library, Ruby-ish syntax, piping with `|>`, Mix project management, Hex package management, ExUnit for testing, and several other quality of life improvements. Elixir can easily call Erlang code, which is not easy the other way around. The biggest difference is that Elixir has a vibrant community, big projects like Phoenix, LiveView, and Livebook.