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A monopoly? They don't even have 50% market share... in some European countries I think they don't even have 20%

by fazfq 4y ago

MonkeyClub 4y ago
Yep, not a monopoly, just a market bully applying mafia-like extortionary tactics. "You want your app on the app store? We want a cut, or the app may have an accident. Spontaneously combust or something. These things happen, you know."
- iwillbenice 4y ago
  > Yep, not a monopoly, just a market bully applying mafia-like extortionary tactics. Yeah that's totally it. It couldn't be that people like to have a phone that gets security updates for more than 2 years. Or having an AppStore that is policed in any meaningful way that keeps blatant spam and data-slurping apps out. Or any other numerous things that the Android ecosystem is totally fucked up on. I love Apple haters- They rarely ever make sense and just come off as bitter.
  - mort96 4y ago
    That's completely unrelated though? Of course people do like to have a phone that gets security updates for more than 2 years. Apple makes a phone which gets security updates for more than 2 years, and also is applying mafia-like extortionary tactics.
  - MonkeyClub 4y ago
    > I love Apple haters- They rarely ever make sense and just come off as bitter. Whether I hate or love Apple as a company doesn't (inversely) weigh in on my opinion on Google - same sh*t different mafia :) To be fair, I "love" (some) Apple products and software, though they tend to be older incarnations. (But that's true for almost anything - newer versions become too "loud" for me.) Conversely, I "hate" some business practices (and tech choices). But I'm not a fanboy of either, I just occasionally come across their products. And I agree on the comment on the Android ecosystem. Which goes some way to say that a totalitarian mafia is better than a laissez-faire mafia. I wonder whether this also means that cathedrals are better than bazaars?
luckylion 4y ago
Who has the other 80% of the iOS apps market in those countries?
- fazfq 4y ago
  What a way of defining a monopoly. Tesco has a monopoly on Tesco.
  - ehvatum 4y ago
    Of course, when I buy a lawn mower at Tesco, Tesco demands 30% of the cost from gas stations for any lawn mower fuel I purchase. So, Apple and Tesco’s abuse of their market power are directly comparable, and your bumper sticker slogan logic is sound.
    - fazfq 4y ago
      Buy your lawn mower somewhere else
Avamander 4y ago
Duopoly, pardon the mistake.

A monopoly? They don't even have 50% market share... in some European countries I think they don't even have 20%

by fazfq 4y ago

A monopoly? They don't even have 50% market share... in some European countries I think they don't even have 20%

Yep, not a monopoly, just a market bully applying mafia-like extortionary tactics. "You want your app on the app store? We want a cut, or the app may have an accident. Spontaneously combust or something. These things happen, you know."

iwillbenice 4y ago
> Yep, not a monopoly, just a market bully applying mafia-like extortionary tactics. Yeah that's totally it. It couldn't be that people like to have a phone that gets security updates for more than 2 years. Or having an AppStore that is policed in any meaningful way that keeps blatant spam and data-slurping apps out. Or any other numerous things that the Android ecosystem is totally fucked up on. I love Apple haters- They rarely ever make sense and just come off as bitter.
- mort96 4y ago
  That's completely unrelated though? Of course people do like to have a phone that gets security updates for more than 2 years. Apple makes a phone which gets security updates for more than 2 years, and also is applying mafia-like extortionary tactics.
- MonkeyClub 4y ago
  > I love Apple haters- They rarely ever make sense and just come off as bitter. Whether I hate or love Apple as a company doesn't (inversely) weigh in on my opinion on Google - same sh*t different mafia :) To be fair, I "love" (some) Apple products and software, though they tend to be older incarnations. (But that's true for almost anything - newer versions become too "loud" for me.) Conversely, I "hate" some business practices (and tech choices). But I'm not a fanboy of either, I just occasionally come across their products. And I agree on the comment on the Android ecosystem. Which goes some way to say that a totalitarian mafia is better than a laissez-faire mafia. I wonder whether this also means that cathedrals are better than bazaars?

luckylion 4y ago

Who has the other 80% of the iOS apps market in those countries?

fazfq 4y ago
What a way of defining a monopoly. Tesco has a monopoly on Tesco.
- ehvatum 4y ago
  Of course, when I buy a lawn mower at Tesco, Tesco demands 30% of the cost from gas stations for any lawn mower fuel I purchase. So, Apple and Tesco’s abuse of their market power are directly comparable, and your bumper sticker slogan logic is sound.
  - fazfq 4y ago
    Buy your lawn mower somewhere else

Avamander 4y ago

Duopoly, pardon the mistake.