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The situation you're describing is no different to 5 years ago: autonomous vehicles exist but can only operate in a limited environment. That's where Waymo was

The situation you're describing is no different to 5 years ago: autonomous vehicles exist but can only operate in a limited environment. That's where Waymo was 5 years ago, it was just an even more limited environment. Read the "Road Testing" section on Wikipedia, specifically, 2017. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waymo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waymo

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
True, until it can off-road in the amazon rain forest it has not improved.
thepasswordis 4y ago
>it was just an even more limited environment Huh, so are you saying maybe we're a little close to autonomous cars than we were 5 years ago?
- singlow 4y ago
  If one believes that autonomous cars with no limitations on environment will never exist, then no progress will get us any closer to infinity.
- asdfqweqe12 4y ago
  If you think geofencing scales to solve the FSD problem. Otherwise no.
- phphphphp 4y ago
  sure, “no closer” is hyperbole and in the most literal sense of the phrase, we are closer because time has passed… but in the practical sense, we are closer today because testing is going well and so permission has been granted to expand testing — the technology is not meaningfully different, what’s happening today could have happened 5 years ago (if safety regulations were more lax and had permitted testing with less data).
  - thepasswordis 4y ago
    So what have the engineers working on this been up to for the last 5 years? Nothing?
    - mikestew 4y ago
      There's "asking clarify questions", then there's "intentionally missing the point to be argumentative".
kajecounterhack 4y ago
It's different because San Franciso is not Phoenix. It's much harder. Do you expect to wake up one day and have self driving cars work in every city? That's just not what today's technology can accomplish. You either end up with broadly applicable L2/L3 (Tesla, Comma) driving, or you get narrow scoped L4 driving. The scope of L4 widening is a real change.
- phphphphp 4y ago
  Waymo was driving in SF 5 years ago.
  - kajecounterhack 4y ago
    Waymo driving has improved a lot in 5 years. A proof of concept is different a from production service.
aantix 4y ago
The scope is larger.

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago

True, until it can off-road in the amazon rain forest it has not improved.

thepasswordis 4y ago

>it was just an even more limited environment Huh, so are you saying maybe we're a little close to autonomous cars than we were 5 years ago?

singlow 4y ago
If one believes that autonomous cars with no limitations on environment will never exist, then no progress will get us any closer to infinity.
asdfqweqe12 4y ago
If you think geofencing scales to solve the FSD problem. Otherwise no.
phphphphp 4y ago
sure, “no closer” is hyperbole and in the most literal sense of the phrase, we are closer because time has passed… but in the practical sense, we are closer today because testing is going well and so permission has been granted to expand testing — the technology is not meaningfully different, what’s happening today could have happened 5 years ago (if safety regulations were more lax and had permitted testing with less data).
- thepasswordis 4y ago
  So what have the engineers working on this been up to for the last 5 years? Nothing?
  - mikestew 4y ago
    There's "asking clarify questions", then there's "intentionally missing the point to be argumentative".

kajecounterhack 4y ago

It's different because San Franciso is not Phoenix. It's much harder. Do you expect to wake up one day and have self driving cars work in every city? That's just not what today's technology can accomplish. You either end up with broadly applicable L2/L3 (Tesla, Comma) driving, or you get narrow scoped L4 driving. The scope of L4 widening is a real change.

phphphphp 4y ago
Waymo was driving in SF 5 years ago.
- kajecounterhack 4y ago
  Waymo driving has improved a lot in 5 years. A proof of concept is different a from production service.

aantix 4y ago

The scope is larger.