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Your logic isn't really valid. It could be that the glue is indeed effective in facilitating waterproofing and was put in place for that reason, however not to

Your logic isn't really valid. It could be that the glue is indeed effective in facilitating waterproofing and was put in place for that reason, however not to the extent that Apple wants to make any promises that it will survive being submerged. I don't know what the truth is, I just disagree with your conclusion based on the logic you present.

simion314 4y ago
Sure, I can't prove that glue is 0% effective, maybe monkey dung is better , you can't prove it either. What I can prove is that "glue helps you swim with your iPhone is bullshit". In fact logic would tell us that glue is created for sticking things together, if you want water proofing you would use something designed for that purpose.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  If you can prove that statement, please do so.
  - simion314 4y ago
    OK, Prop1: Glue is not effective (or 100% effective if you interpret this word as a scale) I linked above an Apple link, and you can find examples where iPhones will get refused warranty because of water damage. This proves that GLUE is less then 1oo% effective. q.e.d Prop2 Monkey shit might be better then glue. Since glue <100% and I used the word "might" then there is a chance that monkey shiot after a monkey eats a special food is better. q.e.d. My point is that is a terrible excuse if you demand me to prove that glue is exactly 0% effective, I don't have the lab to prove it but A[ple that has the lab decided not to offer you water proof warranty, so either you are happy with 1 glue , is not effective enough for Apple to offer a warranty 2 glue is effective enough but Apple has some sinister business reason to reject your warranty if their water sticker turns on.
    - AlmostAnyone 4y ago
      Why do you limit this to Apple? Samsung and Sony will take extra care to apply the glue properly when fixing your phone, and they will replace your device if their glue fails to do its job. Why are they doing it?
      - simion314 4y ago
        I never seen Samsung fanboys inventing fantastic stories to defend their brand. Where with Apple I seen tons, remember the issue with the keyboards ? I seen here an HN people accusing users that they are slobs, or trolls and that the keyboard is perfect, one fanboys was creating a fantasy where Apple had a giant lab with mechanical robot hands typing on a keyboard simulating real world usage and there is no way Apple did a mistake. (where are you naive Apple fanboy that things robotic people are typing on hundreds of keyboards so Apple can release perfect stuff???) When Samsung or Google phones have issue I never see such fantasies beeing created to defend a giant company that has payed people to do that.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      OK, let's take a different tack here. Define an amount of money sufficient to buy 5 iPhones, pay for the time/effort to run the test, and leave some profit on top. You and I each put up that amount of money and we test 5 stock iPhones against 5 iPhones with the glue/gaskets removed in some water intrusion tests in a swimming pool and then disassemble them to inspect. If the glue isn't effective (your premise), I'd expect the phones to behave broadly similarly and you win the bet. If the glue is effective, I'd expect the 5 no-glue phones to experience more water intrusion and I win the bet. How about $50K each, plus $5K each for phones, plus $5K each on top to be donated to the FSF? If there is no difference (or if the no-gasket phones outperform), you keep all 10 phones, my $50K, and are out $5K for phones and $5K to FSF. If the glued phones outperform, I keep the 10 phones, your $50K, and am out $5K for phones and $5K to FSF. Either way, the FSF gets $10K. (If you dislike the FSF, pick another remotely reasonable charity and if you win, both of us donate $5K to that charity.) I'm sure we can find some tech YouTuber to help us film and broadcast the outcome publicly. You in?
pessimizer 4y ago
Whenever you create a premise that both A and ~A are are true, you can base any argument for anything on it. How can a glue be both effective at waterproofing and ineffective at waterproofing?
- sokoloff 4y ago
  How can antibiotics work, yet people still die from infections? How can airbags work and yet people still die in car crashes? How can ABS work and yet…

simion314 4y ago

Sure, I can't prove that glue is 0% effective, maybe monkey dung is better , you can't prove it either. What I can prove is that "glue helps you swim with your iPhone is bullshit". In fact logic would tell us that glue is created for sticking things together, if you want water proofing you would use something designed for that purpose.

sokoloff 4y ago
If you can prove that statement, please do so.
- simion314 4y ago
  OK, Prop1: Glue is not effective (or 100% effective if you interpret this word as a scale) I linked above an Apple link, and you can find examples where iPhones will get refused warranty because of water damage. This proves that GLUE is less then 1oo% effective. q.e.d Prop2 Monkey shit might be better then glue. Since glue <100% and I used the word "might" then there is a chance that monkey shiot after a monkey eats a special food is better. q.e.d. My point is that is a terrible excuse if you demand me to prove that glue is exactly 0% effective, I don't have the lab to prove it but A[ple that has the lab decided not to offer you water proof warranty, so either you are happy with 1 glue , is not effective enough for Apple to offer a warranty 2 glue is effective enough but Apple has some sinister business reason to reject your warranty if their water sticker turns on.
  - AlmostAnyone 4y ago
    Why do you limit this to Apple? Samsung and Sony will take extra care to apply the glue properly when fixing your phone, and they will replace your device if their glue fails to do its job. Why are they doing it?
    - simion314 4y ago
      I never seen Samsung fanboys inventing fantastic stories to defend their brand. Where with Apple I seen tons, remember the issue with the keyboards ? I seen here an HN people accusing users that they are slobs, or trolls and that the keyboard is perfect, one fanboys was creating a fantasy where Apple had a giant lab with mechanical robot hands typing on a keyboard simulating real world usage and there is no way Apple did a mistake. (where are you naive Apple fanboy that things robotic people are typing on hundreds of keyboards so Apple can release perfect stuff???) When Samsung or Google phones have issue I never see such fantasies beeing created to defend a giant company that has payed people to do that.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    OK, let's take a different tack here. Define an amount of money sufficient to buy 5 iPhones, pay for the time/effort to run the test, and leave some profit on top. You and I each put up that amount of money and we test 5 stock iPhones against 5 iPhones with the glue/gaskets removed in some water intrusion tests in a swimming pool and then disassemble them to inspect. If the glue isn't effective (your premise), I'd expect the phones to behave broadly similarly and you win the bet. If the glue is effective, I'd expect the 5 no-glue phones to experience more water intrusion and I win the bet. How about $50K each, plus $5K each for phones, plus $5K each on top to be donated to the FSF? If there is no difference (or if the no-gasket phones outperform), you keep all 10 phones, my $50K, and are out $5K for phones and $5K to FSF. If the glued phones outperform, I keep the 10 phones, your $50K, and am out $5K for phones and $5K to FSF. Either way, the FSF gets $10K. (If you dislike the FSF, pick another remotely reasonable charity and if you win, both of us donate $5K to that charity.) I'm sure we can find some tech YouTuber to help us film and broadcast the outcome publicly. You in?

pessimizer 4y ago

Whenever you create a premise that both A and ~A are are true, you can base any argument for anything on it. How can a glue be both effective at waterproofing and ineffective at waterproofing?

sokoloff 4y ago
How can antibiotics work, yet people still die from infections? How can airbags work and yet people still die in car crashes? How can ABS work and yet…