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I think most people that are happy about Elon taking over aren't free speech absolutists in the sense of the term you're using it. Rather they're just tired of

I think most people that are happy about Elon taking over aren't free speech absolutists in the sense of the term you're using it. Rather they're just tired of blatant censorship some individuals face when expressing an opinion that goes against popular politics of the time. There's a middle ground between allowing literal nazi's to do whatever they want and blatantly influencing discussion on a mass scale by silencing those you disagree with.

britch 4y ago
Who's being silenced on a mass scale?
- soco 4y ago
  Literal nazis? /s
joshstrange 4y ago
Maybe they aren't but they are very vague and hand-wavy about the "blatant censorship". Without specific examples of what is being "censored" it's incredibly difficult to have a good-faith discussion on this. I'm much more forgiving of a handful of on-the-line or even "decent" content being removed if it's the exception not the rule. Like it or not a ton of moderation is fully or nearly fully automated since there isn't a viable alternative (You can argue that these companies should be allowed to exist if they can't accomplish human review/moderation, I'm speaking to the current reality). I'll also be the first to say that Twitter (and most) moderation isn't 100% evenly handled. Just look at world leaders/political figures and what they can say that others cannot, I fully agree this is not ok and should not be allowed. My issue is that it's to the point that I can't hear "blatant censorship" in connection with social media without hearing the dog whistle. Those people who are so up in arms about FB/Twitter/etc "censorship" seem to be absolutely silent about the Gab/Parlor/Truth Socials of the world.
- roamerz 4y ago
  Unless you live in a cave you cannot possibly be ignorant of the multiple accounts of Twitter censoring people’s discussions. Examples? A quick search on Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-double-standard-hunter-biden-claims-censor https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-double-standard-hunter... https://www.foxnews.com/us/critics-twitter-censorship-obituary-vaccines-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/us/critics-twitter-censorship-obitua... https://www.foxnews.com/tech/media-company-grabien-suspended-twitter-quoting-congressman https://www.foxnews.com/tech/media-company-grabien-suspended... https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-jordan-peterson-tweeted-elliot-page https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-jordan-peters... https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-facebook-censor-trump-coronavirus-flu https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-facebook-censor-trump-...
  - kaba0 4y ago
    Well, the problem is that you are searching on fox news of all things. EDIT: To make my comment a bit less argumentative, here is a good chart on the biases of media outlets: https://my.lwv.org/california/torrance-area/article/how-reliable-your-news-source-understanding-media-bias-2022 https://my.lwv.org/california/torrance-area/article/how-reli... , scroll down to adfontes.
    - CodeSgt 4y ago
      As much as I dislike fox news (and virtually all news orgs now) they're probably among the only people actually tracking things like this. I understand if you dislike their political message, but the links the other commenter provided are all good examples of specific instances of the censorship we're discussing. That the organization as a whole is incredibly biased doesn't alter the fact that the people in those stories were actually silenced. The fact that you can't easily find any record of these events outside of Fox News is a part of the issue and "mass scale" censorship.
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britch 4y ago

Who's being silenced on a mass scale?

soco 4y ago
Literal nazis? /s

joshstrange 4y ago

Maybe they aren't but they are very vague and hand-wavy about the "blatant censorship". Without specific examples of what is being "censored" it's incredibly difficult to have a good-faith discussion on this. I'm much more forgiving of a handful of on-the-line or even "decent" content being removed if it's the exception not the rule. Like it or not a ton of moderation is fully or nearly fully automated since there isn't a viable alternative (You can argue that these companies should be allowed to exist if they can't accomplish human review/moderation, I'm speaking to the current reality). I'll also be the first to say that Twitter (and most) moderation isn't 100% evenly handled. Just look at world leaders/political figures and what they can say that others cannot, I fully agree this is not ok and should not be allowed. My issue is that it's to the point that I can't hear "blatant censorship" in connection with social media without hearing the dog whistle. Those people who are so up in arms about FB/Twitter/etc "censorship" seem to be absolutely silent about the Gab/Parlor/Truth Socials of the world.

roamerz 4y ago
Unless you live in a cave you cannot possibly be ignorant of the multiple accounts of Twitter censoring people’s discussions. Examples? A quick search on Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-double-standard-hunter-biden-claims-censor https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-double-standard-hunter... https://www.foxnews.com/us/critics-twitter-censorship-obituary-vaccines-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/us/critics-twitter-censorship-obitua... https://www.foxnews.com/tech/media-company-grabien-suspended-twitter-quoting-congressman https://www.foxnews.com/tech/media-company-grabien-suspended... https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-jordan-peterson-tweeted-elliot-page https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-jordan-peters... https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-facebook-censor-trump-coronavirus-flu https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-facebook-censor-trump-...
- kaba0 4y ago
  Well, the problem is that you are searching on fox news of all things. EDIT: To make my comment a bit less argumentative, here is a good chart on the biases of media outlets: https://my.lwv.org/california/torrance-area/article/how-reliable-your-news-source-understanding-media-bias-2022 https://my.lwv.org/california/torrance-area/article/how-reli... , scroll down to adfontes.
  - CodeSgt 4y ago
    As much as I dislike fox news (and virtually all news orgs now) they're probably among the only people actually tracking things like this. I understand if you dislike their political message, but the links the other commenter provided are all good examples of specific instances of the censorship we're discussing. That the organization as a whole is incredibly biased doesn't alter the fact that the people in those stories were actually silenced. The fact that you can't easily find any record of these events outside of Fox News is a part of the issue and "mass scale" censorship.
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