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I don't think he means you, or the users that needs this, but instead that it is possible to do if they are open source.

KMnO4 4y ago
The point is that “it’s open source” is a really bad selling point when you’re talking about a messaging tool meant to be used by everyone. Good luck trying to convince the general population that “the UX is bad but theoretically anyone can improve it” is better than what you get out of the box with other messengers.
- rglullis 4y ago
  You don't need to convince "the general population" to switch. You don't even need to convince anyone to "switch". Just do the change yourself. Help those people close to you to install Element alongside whatever they are using now. Even if just because they are using to talk with you, it's better than nothing. You don't get to migrate things that are on huge network effects in one go. But we can help the growth of one network organically until it reaches critical mass.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    But other people don't install element alongside whatever (except maybe your parents), but they continue using what works for them... Are you really so "special", you can convince all of your friends with "I know all your friends are using app X, but if you want to chat with me, you need app Y, which noone else is using right now, but maybe, some day..."?
    - rglullis 4y ago
      Not all, but the ones that mattered and bothered, yes. I am not asking them to delete the other app, I am not asking them to join a religion. I am just asking them (and helping if necessary) to install an app and set up an account on my server.
rglullis 4y ago
I'm always befuddled by how some people really take things so literally...
- OJFord 4y ago
  It must be exhausting never to take a break from befuddlement, you really ought to consider only feeling this way some of the time, or at least spend some time befuddled by other things.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    If this were reddit, I'd upvote you. ;)
- spockz 4y ago
  Indeed. That is why I started using “one could” instead of “you can”. This prevented a lot of misunderstanding.
  - uptown 4y ago
    How can you possibly expect ONE person to do all of this? /s
  - DocTomoe 4y ago
    I have been discouraged to use that form because native English speakers have corrected me that unless I am a British monarch, it would be incorrect language use.
    - cyphar 4y ago
      Maybe I'm missing a joke, but this is not the case unless you're using "one" as a way of referring to yourself. Saying "one could" to mean "someone could" is perfectly standard English.
      - mbg721 4y ago

KMnO4 4y ago

The point is that “it’s open source” is a really bad selling point when you’re talking about a messaging tool meant to be used by everyone. Good luck trying to convince the general population that “the UX is bad but theoretically anyone can improve it” is better than what you get out of the box with other messengers.

rglullis 4y ago
You don't need to convince "the general population" to switch. You don't even need to convince anyone to "switch". Just do the change yourself. Help those people close to you to install Element alongside whatever they are using now. Even if just because they are using to talk with you, it's better than nothing. You don't get to migrate things that are on huge network effects in one go. But we can help the growth of one network organically until it reaches critical mass.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  But other people don't install element alongside whatever (except maybe your parents), but they continue using what works for them... Are you really so "special", you can convince all of your friends with "I know all your friends are using app X, but if you want to chat with me, you need app Y, which noone else is using right now, but maybe, some day..."?
  - rglullis 4y ago
    Not all, but the ones that mattered and bothered, yes. I am not asking them to delete the other app, I am not asking them to join a religion. I am just asking them (and helping if necessary) to install an app and set up an account on my server.

rglullis 4y ago

I'm always befuddled by how some people really take things so literally...

OJFord 4y ago
It must be exhausting never to take a break from befuddlement, you really ought to consider only feeling this way some of the time, or at least spend some time befuddled by other things.
- rglullis 4y ago
  If this were reddit, I'd upvote you. ;)
spockz 4y ago
Indeed. That is why I started using “one could” instead of “you can”. This prevented a lot of misunderstanding.
- uptown 4y ago
  How can you possibly expect ONE person to do all of this? /s
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  I have been discouraged to use that form because native English speakers have corrected me that unless I am a British monarch, it would be incorrect language use.
  - cyphar 4y ago
    Maybe I'm missing a joke, but this is not the case unless you're using "one" as a way of referring to yourself. Saying "one could" to mean "someone could" is perfectly standard English.
    - mbg721 4y ago