Fair enough. I suppose I should have said "new to me". Also, I stopped using MSI when their motherboards weren't properly supporting Piledriver/Steamroller AMD

Fair enough. I suppose I should have said "new to me". Also, I stopped using MSI when their motherboards weren't properly supporting Piledriver/Steamroller AMD cpus power and thus thermal requirements. At least, on some of the mid-high tier boards. (It said it could handle a 8350. That apparently was a lie.)