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> Value ... grounds out in human desires You wouldn't believe how rare it is for me to meet someone who agrees with this. I'm in leadership at a web3 company a

> Value ... grounds out in human desires You wouldn't believe how rare it is for me to meet someone who agrees with this. I'm in leadership at a web3 company and I need to reiterate this point over and over again. NFTs don't have intrinsic value OR arbitrary value. ERC20s don't have intrinsic value OR arbitrary value. If it doesn't tie back into user psychology, it's not worth anything. Interesting historical note is that one of Freud's original metaphors for understanding the nature of desire was the unconscious "investor" or "capitalist" who outlays affective charge to the conscious "entrepreneur", who relates to objects. This is known in the literature as Freud's "economic metaphor", which I've found immensely helpful in my own understanding.

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>You wouldn't believe how rare it is for me to meet someone who agrees with this. I'm in leadership at a web3 company and I need to reiterate this point over and over again. NFTs don't have intrinsic value OR arbitrary value. ERC20s don't have intrinsic value OR arbitrary value. If it doesn't tie back into user psychology, it's not worth anything. I came to a similar conclusion: The sole criterion for the viability of a currency is acceptance in trade. This simple truism explains every currency that "works" and every one that didn't all at once. It can be a terrible currency, but if it's generally accepted in trade, too bad. Governments can mandate it, but that won't always save it. Just look at Zimbabwe dollars. They were official. And all but worthless. USD is accepted worldwide, even though its based on less than even a shitcoin, and 90% of it doesn't physically exist according to the Fed themselves.
- duped 4y ago
  > USD is accepted worldwide, even though its based on less than even a shitcoin The full faith and credit of the the United States government is pretty solid. > and 90% of it doesn't physically exist according to the Fed themselves. That's how debt works
  - hahajk 4y ago
    What does "The full faith and credit of the the United States government" mean? You can't redeem dollars bills for anything from the govt as far as I know.
    - duped 4y ago
      You can only buy bonds from the government in dollars, the government only pays interest on those bonds in dollars, and the bonds are only redeemed for dollars when they mature.
namaria 4y ago
'Intrinsic value' is an oxymoron. 'Value' is a social construct.
- Nav_Panel 4y ago
  The conclusion I came to is that "intrinsic value" is fundamentally an extroverted (object-oriented) rather than introverted (subject-oriented) concept, to use Jungian terminology. In other words, the subject projects their psychological evaluation "into" the object. The path to reconciling the two usages of language is to scope the subject, e.g.: - to human beings (subject), food (object) has "intrinsic" value - to Americans, US dollars have "intrinsic" value - to Redditors, karma has "intrinsic" value etc Interesting aside -- this is also how falling in love works (overvaluation of the object via the subject's projection of value).

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

>You wouldn't believe how rare it is for me to meet someone who agrees with this. I'm in leadership at a web3 company and I need to reiterate this point over and over again. NFTs don't have intrinsic value OR arbitrary value. ERC20s don't have intrinsic value OR arbitrary value. If it doesn't tie back into user psychology, it's not worth anything. I came to a similar conclusion: The sole criterion for the viability of a currency is acceptance in trade. This simple truism explains every currency that "works" and every one that didn't all at once. It can be a terrible currency, but if it's generally accepted in trade, too bad. Governments can mandate it, but that won't always save it. Just look at Zimbabwe dollars. They were official. And all but worthless. USD is accepted worldwide, even though its based on less than even a shitcoin, and 90% of it doesn't physically exist according to the Fed themselves.

duped 4y ago
> USD is accepted worldwide, even though its based on less than even a shitcoin The full faith and credit of the the United States government is pretty solid. > and 90% of it doesn't physically exist according to the Fed themselves. That's how debt works
- hahajk 4y ago
  What does "The full faith and credit of the the United States government" mean? You can't redeem dollars bills for anything from the govt as far as I know.
  - duped 4y ago
    You can only buy bonds from the government in dollars, the government only pays interest on those bonds in dollars, and the bonds are only redeemed for dollars when they mature.

namaria 4y ago

'Intrinsic value' is an oxymoron. 'Value' is a social construct.

Nav_Panel 4y ago
The conclusion I came to is that "intrinsic value" is fundamentally an extroverted (object-oriented) rather than introverted (subject-oriented) concept, to use Jungian terminology. In other words, the subject projects their psychological evaluation "into" the object. The path to reconciling the two usages of language is to scope the subject, e.g.: - to human beings (subject), food (object) has "intrinsic" value - to Americans, US dollars have "intrinsic" value - to Redditors, karma has "intrinsic" value etc Interesting aside -- this is also how falling in love works (overvaluation of the object via the subject's projection of value).