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My PhD Genealogy
- laurentoget 4y agowe are cousins!
- larodi 4y agoSadly a predominantly white male genealogy.
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- josters 4y agoI really like the simplicity of this. I suppose this was done by hand. Having such an overview while doing the research would be really beneficial for discovering novel ideas and connections. I haven't come across such a tool as of yet.
- motoboi 4y agoI would love to have an ideas and people genealogy where you can select a thinker like Rousseau and have a graph of the main ideas in his works and their predecessors. Think about his amour de soi. Did it existed previously anywhere else? Who talked about something similar earlier? I'd die for something like that.
- johndbeatty 4y agoI wanted something like this as well, and I have a prototype of something much simpler (using node2vec to generate embeddings using data from Wikidata and DBpedia (and Twitter)). It doesn't really do what you want, but you might find it interesting. Rousseau: https://pov.is/e/93f9822c-1ed8-4bc9-aec9-064e7bb6807c https://pov.is/e/93f9822c-1ed8-4bc9-aec9-064e7bb6807c Amour de soi: https://pov.is/e/82e9f674-ebbf-4c36-b225-ec1653ce3367 https://pov.is/e/82e9f674-ebbf-4c36-b225-ec1653ce3367 You can go backwards and forwards in time using by-year view (though missing data in Wikidata makes this a bit difficult): https://pov.is/e/93f9822c-1ed8-4bc9-aec9-064e7bb6807c?i=Q5&o=year https://pov.is/e/93f9822c-1ed8-4bc9-aec9-064e7bb6807c?i=Q5&o...
- ray__ 4y agoThere is academictree.org, which provides "academic genealogy" for quite a few disciplines–is this the type of tool you're looking for?
- biomcgary 4y agoThank you! I had never looked up my academic genealogy before, which includes Rosalind Franklin, Linus Pauling, and Michael Polanyi.
- basementcat 4y agoMuch of this information is available from the Mathematics Geneology Project. https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=100193 https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=100193
- searine 4y agohttps://academictree.org/flytree/ https://academictree.org/flytree/ does something similar for genetics or the base site for dozens of other disciplines.
- Fomite 4y agoI will actually give this one a tremendous amount of credit for picking up both my real advisor, and my "shadow" advisor (a very, very close member who was on my committee, but at a different institution).
- uptownfunk 4y agoThis makes me want to get a PhD to join the family.
- kragen 4y agoI spent some time in 02016 digging through different sorts of academic lineages. It turns out, for example, that you can also trace Leibniz back to Copernicus: https://dercuano.github.io/notes/academic-lineage.html https://dercuano.github.io/notes/academic-lineage.html Thrun's page seems to have an error about Leibniz: "Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz 1966, 1967, 1976" It would be nice to be able to trace figures like al-Tusi back to Plato and Imhotep, to know if there really was an unbroken line of personal mentorship the way there is in the Buddhist lineages, or if at some point the oral line was severed. Perhaps during the Roman rampages through Greece, the line of transmission of philosophy only survived in Alexandria, or less plausibly, somewhere in India, only to resurface in Arabia while Europe was sunken into its Dark Ages. Or perhaps it had to be recovered from the few manuscripts the Christians hadn't yet recycled into hymnals, like the Archimedes Palimpsest. We know that somewhere between Eudoxus and Galileo the idea of freely postulated axiom systems was lost, and it was not really fully rediscovered until the 19th century.
- languageserver 4y agono where on the site does it tell us that a lineage actually is. Does it mean that the mathematicians knew eachoter? that they adviced? cited?
- ghufran_syed 4y agousually it means that the “parent” was a phd supervisor for the “child” researcher who studied for a PhD under that supervisor
- tim_hutton 4y ago> "02016" Thank you for preparing for the Y10K problem.
- humanistbot 4y agoIt's a Long Now thing.
- mandevil 4y agoYou can really see the results of the ebbs and flows of generations in this genealogy. The massive post-war three part economic, technological, and population booms just jumps out of this data. Ph.D's granted in this genalogy, per decade. 1870's: 1 1880's: 2 1890's: 0 1900's: 3 1910's: 0 (they were fighting a war, no time for dissertations) 1920's: 2 1930's: 2 1940's: 1 (They were fighting a war, no time for dissertations) 1950's: 0 (Baby bust from the great depression) 1960's: 4 (The intra-war and postwar kids, with funding and jobs) 1970's: 2 1980's: 0 (Too soon to be have their own students for a 1995 Ph.D)
- seydor 4y agoAcademia is not that big, is quite incestuous, and such trees or descent are not rare. I think there was a website that listed people's academic family here is one for neuroscience: https://neurotree.org/neurotree/ https://neurotree.org/neurotree/
- xdavidliu 4y agowhat do you mean by "incestuous"? I'm having a hard time picturing the tree structure. Like if we keep things simple and assume every person on the tree "asexually spawns" multiple students, where does the "incest" come in? Maybe one student having more than one advisor? If that's the case, usually it's just a thesis committee or reviewer or something, and not really multiple _main_ advisors
- jltsiren 4y agoThe academia is far more diverse than people think. More diverse between countries, between universities, between disciplines, and over time. Having a junior and a senior advisor is fairly common. Sometimes the work is done in multiple institutions, with a separate advisor in each. In some systems, most people who supervise students are not formally qualified to do so, creating a need for a separate formal supervisor. Sometimes there are two equal advisors, and sometimes the advisor changes for various reasons. Sometimes the student is an independent scholar and the advisors are only loosely involved in the work. If you only have written records, it can be impossible to tell which of these was the case for a particular student.
- blackbear_ 4y ago> what do you mean by "incestuous"? To give you an example, about half of my group at University X did a Bachelor's in statistics at University X, then a Mater's in statistics at University X, then a PhD in statistics at University X, and some are even doing a PostDoc (in statistics at University X)!
- xdavidliu 4y agobut that's not what the original comment mentioning "incestuous" was talking about. The original was talking about academic trees, for which "incestuous" would indicate a tree with loops (i.e. multiple paths between two points)
- lpolovets 4y agoI started browsing https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/ https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/ after reading this post. Some of the genealogies are wildly impressive. For example: https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=38586 https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=38586 Bernoulli -> Euler -> Lagrange -> Poisson and Fourier
- kragen 4y agoThe Euler -> Lagrange link is sort of dodgy, though. Lagrange was an autodidact. What he got from Euler was Euler's position at court, not a doctorate, though they did collaborate on some research before that.
- dekhn 4y agoHe just needs to make a movie with Kevin Bacon and publish with Erdos to round things out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s%E2%80%93Bacon_number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s%E2%80%93Bacon_numbe...
- melling 4y agoErdős has been reading Proofs from the Book for a couple decades, and is unable to publish. Perhaps some of these people are available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_by_Erdős_number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_by_Erdős_number
- Syzygies 4y agoHa! Erdős–Bacon numbers originated in a 2002 Telegraph article by Simon Singh, referenced by Wikipedia as [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20121112081753/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/4768389/And-the-winner-tonight-is.html https://web.archive.org/web/20121112081753/http://www.telegr... I came up with this game after realizing I had an Erdős–Bacon number. He credits me, but spun the article to make this sound like a "thing" other people cared about. I was written out of that Wikipedia page long ago. Very little of what survives on that page stands up to close scrutiny. Combining these numbers is an obscure amusement, but people take the separate numbers seriously. For Erdős numbers, should one count posthumous papers? My "2" via Persi Diaconis goes to "3" if one doesn't. The original intent of the Bacon number game was to count actors in fictional speaking roles. My "2" here is from a speaking role in "A Beautiful Mind". The "Oracle of Bacon" replaced this intent with whatever their database could easily report. Appearing as oneself in a documentary on Erdős had the obvious hilarious effect. One understand these links better by studying IMBD credits. Daniel Kleitman's "2" depends on a "Thanks" credit from "Good Will Hunting", and few of the other low Bacon numbers on the Erdős–Bacon Wikipedia page can be confirmed at all.
- dmd 4y agoI’ve got one! https://dmd.3e.org/erdos-bacon-number/ https://dmd.3e.org/erdos-bacon-number/
- breck 4y agoHere are some simple visualizations of this data: https://gist.github.com/breck7/b88155a58cbf83d32283b9ea50bf8c77 https://gist.github.com/breck7/b88155a58cbf83d32283b9ea50bf8...
- etrautmann 4y agoThe field of Neuroscience tends to track lineages with Neurotree.org
- thedailymail 4y agoLeibniz - Bernoulli - Bernoulli - Euler - LaGrange was a pretty good run!
- herodotus 4y agoThis is very cool, but I think it is a stretch to say that Rheticus was a student of Copernicus.
- jgalentine007 4y agoIf you like this, you might be interested in AstroGen, the Astronomy Genealogy Project that I helped design: https://astrogen.aas.org https://astrogen.aas.org
- tomr_stargazer 4y agothanks for the tip - just added myself!
- anm89 4y agoJean-Baptiste Fourier | Joseph Lagrange | Leonhard Euler 1726 | Johann Bernoulli 1694 | Gottfried Leibniz 1666 I was never aware of this connection. Is there some reasons or story behind how all of these geniuses clustered together?
- bgriirtuh 4y agoIt's hard to succeed in academia if you aren't in a lineage. See Castelvecchi, D. "Majority of mathematicians hail from just 24 scientific ‘families’". Nature 537, 20–21 (2016). https://doi.org/10.1038/nature.2016.20491 https://doi.org/10.1038/nature.2016.20491 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2016.20491 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2016.20491
- alfiedotwtf 4y agoSame goes with classical piano, and Kung Fu.
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- chatterhead 4y agoDo people use these genealogies to pick which schools to go to and people to learn from?
- WiSaGaN 4y agoThere is a site for mathemitics where you can search with names: https://www.mathgenealogy.org/ https://www.mathgenealogy.org/ pretty comprehensive according to my anecdotal evidence.
- parsiad 4y agoThis looked like fun so I wrote a tiny script to generate these graphs for mathematicians using data from https://www.mathgenealogy.org/ https://www.mathgenealogy.org/. Here is what it looks like for Gauss: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/parsiad/math-genealogy-graph/main/18231.svg https://raw.githubusercontent.com/parsiad/math-genealogy-gra.... If you want to make your own, I stuck the script here: https://github.com/parsiad/math-genealogy-graph https://github.com/parsiad/math-genealogy-graph.
- pctrsq0perenl 4y agoThis reminded of a book that I read a while ago. It listed the important ideas that lead to modern computer science in a chronological manner[1]. Is there any work done to trace the genealogy of computer science like [2]? [1] https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262045308/ideas-that-created-the-future/ https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262045308/ideas-that-created-th... [2] https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/ https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/
- Penyngton 4y agoDepending on your definition of `Computer Science', [2] is already the link you're looking for. Church, Turing, von Neumann, McCarthy, Shannon and many other founding fathers of Computer Science are there. In fact, from your link, I believe the only people mentioned who are not in the Mathematics Genealogy Project are Lovelace and Boole, and that's because the PhD system didn't really exist in England at the time, so a specifically Computer Science based database wouldn't help with that.
- nathias 4y agoneat, I can trace mine to Kant
- _1 4y agoPretty cool. I had never thought to do this we my PhD genealogy before, it took about 10 clicks to get to Poisson (the first name I recognized).