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Why are we fucking with nature? Like literally what is the point of this? To show that we can? Some fucked up biological arms race with the other great powers?

Why are we fucking with nature? Like literally what is the point of this? To show that we can? Some fucked up biological arms race with the other great powers? When you fuck with nature, nature wins. Always.

shadowgovt 4y ago
> When you fuck with nature, nature wins. Always. There's, like, an entire human civilization on this planet right now that begs to differ. Ever been to Vegas? Not a single thing natural about that place; it's been there over 100 years.
- salawat 4y ago
  Do you not understand Nature does not operate on the same timescales as humanity? Do you realize that place's entire existence is predicated on a massive logistical network that if left untrnded for a week would likely result in a completely inhospitable environment for the residents? Civilization as we know it is excruciatingly fragile, and maintained by active expenditure of human energy. Nature, is self'sustaining, closed loop, enthalpy decreasing and Just Frigging Works. It just may take a while for us to see/realize something that makes it click that, wow, nature finds a way. I'd think the modern hiccups in the supply chain recently would have provided sufficient examples of how fragile the entire artifice is...
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    Nature isn't magic, and our species has exterminated enough species and ecosystems to respect how fragile it is. And while you speak of nature at large, we tend to care more about subsets of it. Life, in the large, survived the extinction of the dinosaurs, but a rock from space could easily fuck with nature in a way that it wouldn't "bounce back" in any way relevant to us.
    - rhacker 4y ago
      But that's also a major problem. We have deemed life so unimportant, that if Russia wants San Francisco obliterated tomorrow, they have the power to do that. Literally nothing can stop them if they are hell-bent on that, damn the consequences. I think the only people that realize things like this are those that have lost others. Perhaps by mistake even- perhaps especially - his hand slipped and he is dead now. Someone's wife out there is thinking that ALL the time. Perhaps in a year we'll be mourning permanently for New York like that.

shadowgovt 4y ago

> When you fuck with nature, nature wins. Always. There's, like, an entire human civilization on this planet right now that begs to differ. Ever been to Vegas? Not a single thing natural about that place; it's been there over 100 years.

salawat 4y ago
Do you not understand Nature does not operate on the same timescales as humanity? Do you realize that place's entire existence is predicated on a massive logistical network that if left untrnded for a week would likely result in a completely inhospitable environment for the residents? Civilization as we know it is excruciatingly fragile, and maintained by active expenditure of human energy. Nature, is self'sustaining, closed loop, enthalpy decreasing and Just Frigging Works. It just may take a while for us to see/realize something that makes it click that, wow, nature finds a way. I'd think the modern hiccups in the supply chain recently would have provided sufficient examples of how fragile the entire artifice is...
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  Nature isn't magic, and our species has exterminated enough species and ecosystems to respect how fragile it is. And while you speak of nature at large, we tend to care more about subsets of it. Life, in the large, survived the extinction of the dinosaurs, but a rock from space could easily fuck with nature in a way that it wouldn't "bounce back" in any way relevant to us.
  - rhacker 4y ago
    But that's also a major problem. We have deemed life so unimportant, that if Russia wants San Francisco obliterated tomorrow, they have the power to do that. Literally nothing can stop them if they are hell-bent on that, damn the consequences. I think the only people that realize things like this are those that have lost others. Perhaps by mistake even- perhaps especially - his hand slipped and he is dead now. Someone's wife out there is thinking that ALL the time. Perhaps in a year we'll be mourning permanently for New York like that.