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You mean updates that intentionally slow your device so that you will want to buy the new model?

bink 4y ago
They had a choice between slowing the device or providing a substandard user experience when the old battery couldn't keep up and the phone shut down. I think there are plenty of reasons to criticize Apple but I have no idea why people have latched onto this obviously false narrative.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally.
  - devcat 4y ago
    That’s called replacing your battery. All phone batteries degrade and start underperforming over the years. What Apple did only affects those people with years old underperforming batteries.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      Did not that happen about 2 years after phones were released first? 2 years sounds like a very small amount of time to me.
      - hacym 4y ago
        Batteries begin to degrade the moment you start to use them. All phones do this. Apple does not have some sort of magical technology to stop it from happening. No one does. I wouldn’t expect a device that’s likely being drained and recharged daily to retain full capacity after two years. To suggest that shows a lack of understanding in the basic physics of a battery. No company, Samsung, Google, etc. will “recall” your phone for normal wear and tear items like a battery. If that’s what you’re expecting, you’re going to be very disappointed.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        I never claimed anything like. You demonstrate dirty sophistry there. The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained. 2 years is a very little time. None of the devices with batteries I had exhibited that behavior. And I have devices that are over 5 years old in regular use.
        hacym 4y ago
        > Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally. It’s not faulty devices, and a quick google search will show you that cell phone batteries have a lifespan of 2-3 years in average.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        > It’s not faulty devices, and a quick google search will show you that cell phone batteries have a lifespan of 2-3 years in average. Please, try reading this again > The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained.
        hacym 4y ago
        The capacity of the battery was the issue, unless you’re talking about a different issue. Older batteries were unable to meet the power demands.
asciimov 4y ago
I'll take updates that slow my phone as long as I'm also getting security updates. I don't like have my banking app cut off because I no longer get Android updates.
RockRobotRock 4y ago
This is a nice headline, but doesn't match reality. I really hate how much of an Apple fanboy I'm coming off in this thread, but if you're just going to spout straight lies, it's hard to ignore. It's true that overtime iOS has become way more bloated, but they have released major updates which actually sped up older devices because they were focused on bug fixes and improvements, rather than something that's flashy and looks good in a commercial. Is it a useful tactic to sell more phones? Absolutely. It also means that iOS completely destroys Android's statistics on % of users who run the latest version of their OS.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  He is referring to the degrading battery fallout in 2016: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/apple-settles-with-states-for-113m-over-iphone-battery-throttling/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/apple-settles-wi...
  - RockRobotRock 4y ago
    Yeah, good point, if I remember they did give you the option to override the battery safety feature and preserve your clock speed. Still, I think it is fair to say that iOS did over time start to feel more sluggish as they were adding more ambitious features which an aging chip couldn't handle.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      It was certainly after the backlash, perhaps even after they lost the lawsuit.
      - RockRobotRock 4y ago
        oh damn, that's worse than i thought it was.

bink 4y ago

They had a choice between slowing the device or providing a substandard user experience when the old battery couldn't keep up and the phone shut down. I think there are plenty of reasons to criticize Apple but I have no idea why people have latched onto this obviously false narrative.

lostmsu 4y ago
Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally.
- devcat 4y ago
  That’s called replacing your battery. All phone batteries degrade and start underperforming over the years. What Apple did only affects those people with years old underperforming batteries.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    Did not that happen about 2 years after phones were released first? 2 years sounds like a very small amount of time to me.
    - hacym 4y ago
      Batteries begin to degrade the moment you start to use them. All phones do this. Apple does not have some sort of magical technology to stop it from happening. No one does. I wouldn’t expect a device that’s likely being drained and recharged daily to retain full capacity after two years. To suggest that shows a lack of understanding in the basic physics of a battery. No company, Samsung, Google, etc. will “recall” your phone for normal wear and tear items like a battery. If that’s what you’re expecting, you’re going to be very disappointed.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        I never claimed anything like. You demonstrate dirty sophistry there. The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained. 2 years is a very little time. None of the devices with batteries I had exhibited that behavior. And I have devices that are over 5 years old in regular use.
        hacym 4y ago
        > Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally. It’s not faulty devices, and a quick google search will show you that cell phone batteries have a lifespan of 2-3 years in average.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        > It’s not faulty devices, and a quick google search will show you that cell phone batteries have a lifespan of 2-3 years in average. Please, try reading this again > The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained.
        hacym 4y ago
        The capacity of the battery was the issue, unless you’re talking about a different issue. Older batteries were unable to meet the power demands.

asciimov 4y ago

I'll take updates that slow my phone as long as I'm also getting security updates. I don't like have my banking app cut off because I no longer get Android updates.

RockRobotRock 4y ago

This is a nice headline, but doesn't match reality. I really hate how much of an Apple fanboy I'm coming off in this thread, but if you're just going to spout straight lies, it's hard to ignore. It's true that overtime iOS has become way more bloated, but they have released major updates which actually sped up older devices because they were focused on bug fixes and improvements, rather than something that's flashy and looks good in a commercial. Is it a useful tactic to sell more phones? Absolutely. It also means that iOS completely destroys Android's statistics on % of users who run the latest version of their OS.

lostmsu 4y ago
He is referring to the degrading battery fallout in 2016: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/apple-settles-with-states-for-113m-over-iphone-battery-throttling/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/apple-settles-wi...
- RockRobotRock 4y ago
  Yeah, good point, if I remember they did give you the option to override the battery safety feature and preserve your clock speed. Still, I think it is fair to say that iOS did over time start to feel more sluggish as they were adding more ambitious features which an aging chip couldn't handle.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    It was certainly after the backlash, perhaps even after they lost the lawsuit.
    - RockRobotRock 4y ago
      oh damn, that's worse than i thought it was.