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I didn't like FB well before it became fashionable, but I don't understand your logic here: what is that exactly that you can't entrust WhatsApp to send, but yo

I didn't like FB well before it became fashionable, but I don't understand your logic here: what is that exactly that you can't entrust WhatsApp to send, but you can trust Apple, or your mobile carrier?

ar_lan 4y ago
I'm not really answering your question, but in the States, there is a lot more trust placed in Apple over Facebook. This isn't that surprising - Apple has a much stauncher stance on privacy than alternatives. I wish Signal would be more popular, but it's just not. I can't really ask new people I meet to communicate over Signal because it's a burden to get others to install some new application.
- nottorp 4y ago
  Im tired of super secure apps that ask for your phone number and even publish it to your contacts. Wake me up when Signal doesnt depend on a phone number any more.
- Dma54rhs 4y ago
  DMing on Instagram is super popular in USA. Most of the people don't give a shit about privacy to begin with.
mmmlinux 4y ago
Facebook's goal is to extract as much information from you as possible. Apple wants to sell you a new phone.
- brokenkebab2 4y ago
  It's absolutely not like that. Apple extracts profits in a lots of ways, including those which rely on gathering personal data. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32539762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32539762
taylodl 4y ago
Apple's iMessage is secured end-to-end, your mobile carrier can't see the message. As soon as the box goes green then any intermediary, including your mobile carrier and your friend's mobile carrier, can read the message and/or make it available to law enforcement. In a U.S. court of law Apple has stood up to authority and pointed out they can't provide the messages requested as they're locked even to Apple. Facebook on the other hand has acquiesced to U.S. law enforcement. That tells me that even if Facebook has secured end-to-end messaging, which I don't think they've ever claimed, they have backdoors.
- School-Cotton 4y ago
  WhatsApp definitely claims end-to-end encryption. There’s a bubble telling you so at the top of every new WhatsApp thread.
  - ahaseeb 4y ago
    If that's the case how do they detect if a message has been forwarded too many times ?
    - type0 4y ago
      It's all about metadata, PRISM et al
    - School-Cotton 4y ago
      I don’t know.
- mmcnl 4y ago
  WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. WhatsApp actually uses the Signal Protocol. Probably the best protocol they could use. It's described pretty detailed in a whitepaper publicly available on the WhatsApp website: https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepaper.pdf https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepap...
  - 4y ago
ls15 4y ago
I don't know about GPs logic, but my logic is pretty simple. I don't use any infrastructure that Mark Zuckerberg had his fingers on. That was clear to me after the first time I saw him.

ar_lan 4y ago

I'm not really answering your question, but in the States, there is a lot more trust placed in Apple over Facebook. This isn't that surprising - Apple has a much stauncher stance on privacy than alternatives. I wish Signal would be more popular, but it's just not. I can't really ask new people I meet to communicate over Signal because it's a burden to get others to install some new application.

nottorp 4y ago
Im tired of super secure apps that ask for your phone number and even publish it to your contacts. Wake me up when Signal doesnt depend on a phone number any more.
Dma54rhs 4y ago
DMing on Instagram is super popular in USA. Most of the people don't give a shit about privacy to begin with.

mmmlinux 4y ago

Facebook's goal is to extract as much information from you as possible. Apple wants to sell you a new phone.

brokenkebab2 4y ago
It's absolutely not like that. Apple extracts profits in a lots of ways, including those which rely on gathering personal data. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32539762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32539762

taylodl 4y ago

Apple's iMessage is secured end-to-end, your mobile carrier can't see the message. As soon as the box goes green then any intermediary, including your mobile carrier and your friend's mobile carrier, can read the message and/or make it available to law enforcement. In a U.S. court of law Apple has stood up to authority and pointed out they can't provide the messages requested as they're locked even to Apple. Facebook on the other hand has acquiesced to U.S. law enforcement. That tells me that even if Facebook has secured end-to-end messaging, which I don't think they've ever claimed, they have backdoors.

School-Cotton 4y ago
WhatsApp definitely claims end-to-end encryption. There’s a bubble telling you so at the top of every new WhatsApp thread.
- ahaseeb 4y ago
  If that's the case how do they detect if a message has been forwarded too many times ?
  - type0 4y ago
    It's all about metadata, PRISM et al
  - School-Cotton 4y ago
    I don’t know.
mmcnl 4y ago
WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. WhatsApp actually uses the Signal Protocol. Probably the best protocol they could use. It's described pretty detailed in a whitepaper publicly available on the WhatsApp website: https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepaper.pdf https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepap...
- 4y ago

ls15 4y ago

I don't know about GPs logic, but my logic is pretty simple. I don't use any infrastructure that Mark Zuckerberg had his fingers on. That was clear to me after the first time I saw him.