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Ah yes, the typical astounding secular definition of freedom, equating it with nakedness and vices. I’ll tell you something, the vast majority of the Saudis are
by seer-zig 4y ago
Ah yes, the typical astounding secular definition of freedom, equating it with nakedness and vices. I’ll tell you something, the vast majority of the Saudis are proud of the Hijab and their Islamic faith that promotes purity and decency. We don’t want the western definition of “freedom” thank you very much, we’ve seen where it leads
- msoad 4y ago
- seer-zig 4y ago
- dang 4y agoReligious flamewar will get you banned here, regardless of which religion you have a problem with. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and please don't post like this to HN again. Note this rule, among the others: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."
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- anthk 4y ago
- jdmonty 4y agoI’m not a Muslim but agnostic and agree that “freedom” is poorly defined and subjective like “idea” of America which is empty cipher. Ruling class of US idea of freedom is for citizens to be free to take on debt and live precarious alienated life with not a small portion dying in abject poverty and increasingly alone.
- seer-zig 4y ago
- dang 4y agoYou posted many hellish flamewar comments to this thread. We ban accounts that vandalize HN like this. It doesn't matter how right you are or feel you are. Moreover, we've already had to ask you many times not to do this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30421484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30421484 (Feb 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29042093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29042093 (Oct 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26881003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26881003 (April 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26582160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26582160 (March 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22724414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22724414 (March 2020) Your comments in this thread were so aggressive that you've easily crossed the point where we would ban an account. I don't want to ban you because you've also posted good things. If you do this again, though, we're going to end up having to. Therefore, please review the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and avoid doing anything like this on HN again.
- pvaldes 4y agoIt leads to people showing the hair in their heads, that is the normal way in our species. Including the majority of the muslim population and the majority of the human population. If you think this is the same as being naked in public or that women's hair is impure, well... You live in a very sad place and deserve compassion. It really sucks to be you, but your pain is self-inflicted. Enjoying the feminine grace and beauty is one of the greatest pleasures of being alive. Imagine yourself sit in a caffee three months from now watching by the first time an endless stream of smiling happy, "naked" women. If this image don't puts a smile in your heart, then something terrible must had happened to you
- seer-zig 4y ago
- pvaldes 4y ago
- seer-zig 4y ago
- pvaldes 4y agoLets me check your list: Zero. Not. None of that I'm aware. None recently apart of the terrorist attacks in Madrid and Barcelona (hardly attributable to the west way of life). I never drive drunk and never meet anybody that was raped. It seems that your image of the world has a few cracks on it, and is not so accurate as you think Now tell me how many of those points can you check in your place. Please don't dare to tell me that Islam countries are happy utopias were nobody is raped, there is not prostitution or mass killings and problems never appear. We aren't so gullible. We know that Afghanistan is a main drugs exporter and mental issues by drug abuse are not uncommon. We are aware that half of the muslims want the other half killed and that some muslims have committed genocides towards other muslims at each single opportunity in their history. We are aware that in some places woman can't work or earn money to support themselves in any non clandestine way
- pdntspa 4y agoHow does GP's statement have anything to do with "nakedness" and "vices". Those appear to be your words, dude. Besides, the woman that was killed in custody that started this whole mess in Iran was hardly "naked", quite far from it. It's not the west's fault that people lack so much self-control they can't handle anything but a hijab. In my opinion that speaks incredibly poorly, if anything that means folks shold spend more time looking inward than foolishly crying out for divine protection Moralism is far more responsible for a society's ills than "decadence" ever will be
- seer-zig 4y agoThe slippery slope is real. And as far as we're concerned, taking the Hijab away is one very obvious step in that direction. Just look at history. I'm not defending the Iranian regime by the way. You're straw manning to assume that the Hijab's only reason is lack of self control. It's one part of many things that we have in Islam to preserve morality and purity. For example, both men and women are ordered to lower their gaze. I'm not moralizing here. I'm defending my religion and land from the assumption of the secular west that they're here to liberate us from "oppression".
- CRConrad 4y ago
- seer-zig 4y agoMy religion brought enlightenment into the world, and you benefit from it to this very day. Read up about the Islamic Golden Age for an intro.
- dang 4y agoWe ban accounts that post like this, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33174008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33174008 and stick to the rules from now on: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We're trying to have an internet forum that doesn't burn itself to the ground.
- dang 4y agoYou posted dozens of flamewar comments in this thread. That's extreme, and you have a history of doing it and ignoring our requests to stop. I've therefore banned this account as well as some others. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. Religious flamewars are not what this site is for. Frankly, all the other commenters who jumped straight into the pit of hell with you are more responsible than you are, but we can't have people abusing HN this egregiously. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html