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Wow - so Indian companies hires all Indians even in American offices. CEO gets caught on a hot mike saying they don't want to hire stupid Americans which forces

Wow - so Indian companies hires all Indians even in American offices. CEO gets caught on a hot mike saying they don't want to hire stupid Americans which forces said CEO to change hiring policy but they blunder it and tell HR not to hire Indian candidates which back fires.

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yrgulation 4y ago
Wow you are right he did say that. Had to google it to confirm. How is that not racist? And why is racism so prevalent among indians?
- JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  Don't get ahead of yourself there. Racial preferences are very common around the world. It becomes part of self-worth to value one's cohort above those that are seen as opressive. Such as the ubiquitous western culture in media. Anyway, the melting pot of the USA has created a dialog about race that may be missing or very small elsewhere. Witness the apparent race-tone-deaf attitudes in Japanese mainstream, where being Japanese is so obviously superior to everyone else its baked into plots and dialog without apparently even noticing.
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    Interesting but i dont agree with any justification for racism. Be it against americans, indians, or others. Race has no place in any debate. We are what we are and we are all equal in that regard.
    - webmobdev 4y ago
      Nobody is justifying racism, just explaining identity politics that unconsciously makes us biased towards someone who shares similar values with us. It's more obvious in the USA as it is a multi-cultural country made of immigrants, who generally tend to feel insecure and thus tend to turn to their own community to feel more secure. Unfortunately this insecurity is often exploited by right-wing politicians and used by them to create an us-vs-them mentality that leads to things like racism and discrimination.
      - yrgulation 4y ago
        “It becomes part of self-worth to value one's cohort above those that are seen as opressive.” Meaning that its ok to be racist against the race that is perceived as oppressive. I dont subscribe to that and it proves my point. There is a sense of “racial preference” and the justification is that comment above. I think an eye for an eye will make us all blind and it needs to stop. We really need to move beyond this nonsense. Edit: I agree with your edited comment: “Unfortunately this insecurity is often exploited by right-wing politicians and used by them to create an us-vs-them mentality that leads to things like racism and discrimination.” But i dont agree that people should self segregate as that is another form of racism. This vicious circle needs to end. However your comment also seems to prove my point. There is a sense of racism but it would seem to be defensive racism. Ie we stay away from them because they have something against us. Am i correct in my understanding? Genuine question as i genuinely want to understand the topic.
        JoeAltmaier 4y ago
        Misrepresenting the point that was being made, to manufacture an objection. It was a description of identity politics, made to clarify why attitudes are different in different places/peoples. Not some kind of policy suggestion.
        yrgulation 4y ago
        I think i understand where the issue stems as there are a lot of defensive insinuations here. I am not misrepresenting. I am potentially misunderstanding. I can critique germany or america and there will be nowhere near this level of tension. I never looked down upon india or indians and i never considered india as a weak country. Thus i felt at liberty to critique. To me it appears tho that my comments are taken as insults instead of just the usual debates that country or culture X has wrong Y policy or view. Educate me as i am listening. Clarify my misunderstandings so i can make better judgment next time.
        webmobdev 4y ago
        > But i dont agree that people should self segregate as that is another form of racism. This vicious circle needs to end. Very true. I believe we are talking about the same thing - you are absolutely right that if we aren't self-aware of our biases, we can fall victim to our own prejudice against others (especially if we are exposed to right-wing propaganda). Unfortunately this can be a difficult thing to realise unless we are secure and at peace with ourselves (which is why right-wing politics always tries to keep society in a tense state, as their politics only work when people can't think rationally). Another issue is that people generally have social anxiety when trying to mingle with other cultures, and so they often take the easy way out of avoiding meeting people and expanding their social circle due to their personal inhibitions (let's face it, even though we are supposed to be social creatures, we humans have a tough time socialising and building relationship with others!). This is ofcourse detrimental to ourselves and our society.
  - huggingrear 4y ago
    Japan is 98% ethnically homogenous, with the remaining 2% primarily consisting of Koreans and Chinese. I don't see why Japan would have any need for a discussion on 'race'.
    - dmix 4y ago
      That’s not an accident. Although I don’t think any country should be obligated to take in foreigners if their situation doesn’t warrant it (such as being a small island nation).
    - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
      So they just continue with laughable racist movies and media, and get a pass? Ok, whatever. Or do you mean, it makes sense that they are the way they are? I agree.
      - yrgulation 4y ago
        I think what op meant to say is if there is little diversity then naturally there would be no debate. But indeed i agree they should at least stop making racist movies. Boy do i hate race related debates. Why is race even relevant in this day and age? It’s all in our minds and it stems from primordial tribal thinking. Its like people from village A dislike people form village B because they will steal their women and hunt their game. Such basic instincts that we somehow havent moved beyond yet despite our tech progress.
        JoeAltmaier 4y ago
        Agreed. It makes a little more sense when thought of as really a 'culture debate', but that's just kicking the can down the road.
    - NoraCodes 4y ago
      Japan is 98% ethnically homogeneous in part because of an immigration system that keeps foreigners from immigrating for work and in part because of lots of systemic racism - different from that in, say, the US, but still systemic - in Japanese society. It's not magic or an accident of history, it's due to social factors.
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  > And why is racism so prevalent among indians? This statement almost seems ironic...
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    Almost but its not. I’ve observed this behaviour in the brexit debate in the uk as well. I dont know if its the stockholm syndrome but some do very well enjoy racist remarks about other nationalities or “races”.
- illegalmemory 4y ago
  From your comments history, it looks like you have strong feelings against India, which might be leading to a negative bias. But such favoritism is prevalent in all cultures to some extent.
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    Huh? Thats just slanderous and not based in fact. I have nothing against india. I dont like its policies but that doesnt mean i dont like india. Quite the contrary, if i didnt, i wouldnt care. I find it appalling how any time someone raises disagreement with that country’s policies they get attacked almost instantly.
booleandilemma 4y ago
Diversity is only for white people. Look at the diversity on the board of Mitsubishi: https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/about/bmembers/ https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/about/bmembers/
- aaomidi 4y ago
  I mean I’ll take a stab at this: https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/company/leadership-and-governance.html https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/company/leadership-and-governanc...
  - auggierose 4y ago
    Why? The full last row consists of women and asians.
- sephlietz 4y ago
  Japan's population is something like 98% Japanese ethnicity.
  - troon-lover 4y ago
  - mattigames 4y ago
    And you think racism has nothing to do with that being the case? Meaning why do you think a country as successful as Japan is not filled with a diversity of immigrants from other races?
    - pid_0 4y ago
    - wongarsu 4y ago
      I think it's no secret that Japan has a reputation for racism, and that you have it harder as an immigrant. Still, the board of Mitsubishi is perfectly reflective of the Japanese population (ignoring the gender ratio, which isn't great but in line with the global average for boards of directors)
petilon 4y ago
Did you read the linked article? she was asked by the Bengaluru-headquartered IT company to avoid hiring people of Indian origin This is a claim by a fired former VP.

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yrgulation 4y ago

Wow you are right he did say that. Had to google it to confirm. How is that not racist? And why is racism so prevalent among indians?

JoeAltmaier 4y ago
Don't get ahead of yourself there. Racial preferences are very common around the world. It becomes part of self-worth to value one's cohort above those that are seen as opressive. Such as the ubiquitous western culture in media. Anyway, the melting pot of the USA has created a dialog about race that may be missing or very small elsewhere. Witness the apparent race-tone-deaf attitudes in Japanese mainstream, where being Japanese is so obviously superior to everyone else its baked into plots and dialog without apparently even noticing.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  Interesting but i dont agree with any justification for racism. Be it against americans, indians, or others. Race has no place in any debate. We are what we are and we are all equal in that regard.
  - webmobdev 4y ago
    Nobody is justifying racism, just explaining identity politics that unconsciously makes us biased towards someone who shares similar values with us. It's more obvious in the USA as it is a multi-cultural country made of immigrants, who generally tend to feel insecure and thus tend to turn to their own community to feel more secure. Unfortunately this insecurity is often exploited by right-wing politicians and used by them to create an us-vs-them mentality that leads to things like racism and discrimination.
    - yrgulation 4y ago
      “It becomes part of self-worth to value one's cohort above those that are seen as opressive.” Meaning that its ok to be racist against the race that is perceived as oppressive. I dont subscribe to that and it proves my point. There is a sense of “racial preference” and the justification is that comment above. I think an eye for an eye will make us all blind and it needs to stop. We really need to move beyond this nonsense. Edit: I agree with your edited comment: “Unfortunately this insecurity is often exploited by right-wing politicians and used by them to create an us-vs-them mentality that leads to things like racism and discrimination.” But i dont agree that people should self segregate as that is another form of racism. This vicious circle needs to end. However your comment also seems to prove my point. There is a sense of racism but it would seem to be defensive racism. Ie we stay away from them because they have something against us. Am i correct in my understanding? Genuine question as i genuinely want to understand the topic.
      - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
        Misrepresenting the point that was being made, to manufacture an objection. It was a description of identity politics, made to clarify why attitudes are different in different places/peoples. Not some kind of policy suggestion.
        yrgulation 4y ago
        I think i understand where the issue stems as there are a lot of defensive insinuations here. I am not misrepresenting. I am potentially misunderstanding. I can critique germany or america and there will be nowhere near this level of tension. I never looked down upon india or indians and i never considered india as a weak country. Thus i felt at liberty to critique. To me it appears tho that my comments are taken as insults instead of just the usual debates that country or culture X has wrong Y policy or view. Educate me as i am listening. Clarify my misunderstandings so i can make better judgment next time.
      - webmobdev 4y ago
        > But i dont agree that people should self segregate as that is another form of racism. This vicious circle needs to end. Very true. I believe we are talking about the same thing - you are absolutely right that if we aren't self-aware of our biases, we can fall victim to our own prejudice against others (especially if we are exposed to right-wing propaganda). Unfortunately this can be a difficult thing to realise unless we are secure and at peace with ourselves (which is why right-wing politics always tries to keep society in a tense state, as their politics only work when people can't think rationally). Another issue is that people generally have social anxiety when trying to mingle with other cultures, and so they often take the easy way out of avoiding meeting people and expanding their social circle due to their personal inhibitions (let's face it, even though we are supposed to be social creatures, we humans have a tough time socialising and building relationship with others!). This is ofcourse detrimental to ourselves and our society.
- huggingrear 4y ago
  Japan is 98% ethnically homogenous, with the remaining 2% primarily consisting of Koreans and Chinese. I don't see why Japan would have any need for a discussion on 'race'.
  - dmix 4y ago
    That’s not an accident. Although I don’t think any country should be obligated to take in foreigners if their situation doesn’t warrant it (such as being a small island nation).
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    So they just continue with laughable racist movies and media, and get a pass? Ok, whatever. Or do you mean, it makes sense that they are the way they are? I agree.
    - yrgulation 4y ago
      I think what op meant to say is if there is little diversity then naturally there would be no debate. But indeed i agree they should at least stop making racist movies. Boy do i hate race related debates. Why is race even relevant in this day and age? It’s all in our minds and it stems from primordial tribal thinking. Its like people from village A dislike people form village B because they will steal their women and hunt their game. Such basic instincts that we somehow havent moved beyond yet despite our tech progress.
      - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
        Agreed. It makes a little more sense when thought of as really a 'culture debate', but that's just kicking the can down the road.
  - NoraCodes 4y ago
    Japan is 98% ethnically homogeneous in part because of an immigration system that keeps foreigners from immigrating for work and in part because of lots of systemic racism - different from that in, say, the US, but still systemic - in Japanese society. It's not magic or an accident of history, it's due to social factors.
NayamAmarshe 4y ago
> And why is racism so prevalent among indians? This statement almost seems ironic...
- yrgulation 4y ago
  Almost but its not. I’ve observed this behaviour in the brexit debate in the uk as well. I dont know if its the stockholm syndrome but some do very well enjoy racist remarks about other nationalities or “races”.
illegalmemory 4y ago
From your comments history, it looks like you have strong feelings against India, which might be leading to a negative bias. But such favoritism is prevalent in all cultures to some extent.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  Huh? Thats just slanderous and not based in fact. I have nothing against india. I dont like its policies but that doesnt mean i dont like india. Quite the contrary, if i didnt, i wouldnt care. I find it appalling how any time someone raises disagreement with that country’s policies they get attacked almost instantly.

booleandilemma 4y ago

Diversity is only for white people. Look at the diversity on the board of Mitsubishi: https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/about/bmembers/ https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/about/bmembers/

aaomidi 4y ago
I mean I’ll take a stab at this: https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/company/leadership-and-governance.html https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/company/leadership-and-governanc...
- auggierose 4y ago
  Why? The full last row consists of women and asians.
sephlietz 4y ago
Japan's population is something like 98% Japanese ethnicity.
- troon-lover 4y ago
- mattigames 4y ago
  And you think racism has nothing to do with that being the case? Meaning why do you think a country as successful as Japan is not filled with a diversity of immigrants from other races?
  - pid_0 4y ago
  - wongarsu 4y ago
    I think it's no secret that Japan has a reputation for racism, and that you have it harder as an immigrant. Still, the board of Mitsubishi is perfectly reflective of the Japanese population (ignoring the gender ratio, which isn't great but in line with the global average for boards of directors)

petilon 4y ago

Did you read the linked article? she was asked by the Bengaluru-headquartered IT company to avoid hiring people of Indian origin This is a claim by a fired former VP.