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It's remarkable. Between the myriad international and domestic crowdsourcing events (eg, Bayrakter TB2s [0][1], a Tank [2], lots of Drones [3], First Aid kits

• app4soft 4y ago
  Also, do not forget about the Ukrainian meme forces[0] & North Atlantic Fellas Organization[1] on Twitter, Reddit, etc.[2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12] [0] https://war.ukraine.ua/country-and-society/ukrainian-meme-forces-what-makes-us-laugh-in-the-times-of-russia-s-invasion/ https://war.ukraine.ua/country-and-society/ukrainian-meme-fo... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFO_(group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFO_(group) [2] https://www.cyberscoop.com/nafo-fellas-and-their-memes-ukraine/ https://www.cyberscoop.com/nafo-fellas-and-their-memes-ukrai... [3] https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-ukrainian-meme-war-defeated-russia-204588 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-ukrainian-meme-war-... [4] https://www.coffeeordie.com/ukraine-war-memes https://www.coffeeordie.com/ukraine-war-memes [5] https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-ukrainian-meme-war-defeated-russia-204588 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-ukrainian-meme-war-... [6] https://www.boredpanda.com/ukraine-support-memes/ https://www.boredpanda.com/ukraine-support-memes/ [7] https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/9/6/ukraine-latest-weapon-in-the-war-jokes https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/9/6/ukraine-latest-w... [8] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/18/ukraine-war-meme-fundraising/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/18/ukraine-war-... [9] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/world/middleeast/ukraine-memes-russia-fundraising.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/world/middleeast/ukraine-... [10] http://www.zhu.edu.ua/journal_cpu/index.php/der_sc/article/view/903 http://www.zhu.edu.ua/journal_cpu/index.php/der_sc/article/v... [11] https://mwi.usma.edu/on-trolls-and-nuclear-signaling-strategic-stability-in-the-age-of-memes/ https://mwi.usma.edu/on-trolls-and-nuclear-signaling-strateg... [12] https://www.politico.eu/article/nafo-doge-shiba-russia-putin-ukraine-twitter-trolling-social-media-meme/ https://www.politico.eu/article/nafo-doge-shiba-russia-putin...
• yamtaddle 4y ago
  It's possible they literally have a top-tier PR firm working on it. Maybe more than one. Not to discount the possibility that they've simply knocked this out of the park themselves, but the "West" sure seems to be providing them a lot of soft support in addition to equipment, and some of that might be that kind of thing (I'm assuming Ukraine wouldn't be paying such a bill themselves, under these circumstances). The US government has been known to engage Madison Avenue & co. themselves, including for war-propaganda purposes, and not in the distant past.
  • tpmx 4y ago
    Perhaps that's happening in the US, no idea. I would imagine that this would focus on media messaging in the US. From a European perspective, the online 'propaganda' has a very distinctively Ukranian, genuine and non-american feel to it.
    • yamtaddle 4y ago
      Not necessarily US firms. And making it feel authentic could just mean they didn't fuck up. Again, I'm not saying the Ukrainians didn't do this themselves. They may have. Or there may be some obscure books few people read in 30 years that tell the story of the companies NATO paid to prep the Ukrainians to win the propaganda war. I'm pro-Ukraine (of course?) but I doubt there's anyone who's dipped more than a toe into poli sci and international studies who's not had this through cross their mind, on seeing how fast, consistent, excellent, and on-all-fronts Ukraine's public information warfare has been. It's not exactly a way-out-there possibility. And if they did it's not like that's necessarily a bad thing. Just... don't be surprised if there are some pieces about how much more there was behind the scenes to make that happen, in Foreign Affairs or something, that only politics nerds will ever read, in a few years.
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      • orwin 4y ago
        Whats confounding to me is how disciplined they are with media coverage. Early in the war, you could follow Ukrainian retreat, Russian "misfires" into civilian habitations, russian frontline advance etc. I thought to myself that any counteroffensive couldn't be done secretly and that the war would be fought inch by inch. I was obviously very wrong (i'm not remotely educated on this questions, i just really like planes). They still upload combat footage to diverse repo, but nowadays its less accessible and more delayed, sometime 5 days "late".