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Isn’t giving each candidate a score even more gameable than ranking candidates. If I like candidate A and think candidate B is their best opposition I can give

by TimPC 4y ago

Isn’t giving each candidate a score even more gameable than ranking candidates. If I like candidate A and think candidate B is their best opposition I can give candidate A 5.0 and candidate B 0.0 even if my real opinion of candidate B is 3.0. Lowering candidate B’s score artificially definitely helps candidate A.

avarun 4y ago
I think you misread the comment you're replying to. Calculating a total score is simply summing the scores assigned to a candidate from each voter, so there's no way to "lower candidate B's score artificially". There's no averaging going on here.
unholiness 4y ago
Absolutely. Naive exaggeration is a fantastic way to make your vote count more than others in score voting. It also encourages more negative campaign tactics, since convincing a voter to rank your opponent 0 rather than 4 is literally 4 times as powerful as convincing them to rank you a 5 rather than a 4.
- ClayShentrup 4y ago
  you have this exactly backwards, as explained by 3 different math phd experts here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ https://www.rangevoting.org/NESD https://www.rangevoting.org/NESD https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/VSEbasic/ https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/VSEbasic/
naniwaduni 4y ago
This is a case for approval over score voting. It's not a good case for RCV over approval!
- ClayShentrup 4y ago
  no, it's not a case for approval voting over score voting, because score voting is better than approval voting if even one voter votes sincerely. if enough people use honest scores, then score voting is better than approval voting even for the "honest suckers". https://www.rangevoting.org/ShExpRes https://www.rangevoting.org/ShExpRes
ClayShentrup 4y ago
no. scoring is more resistant to strategy. consider a green party supporter who normally votes democrat. with score voting or approval voting, he also votes green (of course). with ranked voting, he still ranks the democrat strategically in 1st place to avoid getting the republican, and that makes it impossible for third parties to grow. ranking is too vulnerable to strategy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ

by TimPC 4y ago

avarun 4y ago

I think you misread the comment you're replying to. Calculating a total score is simply summing the scores assigned to a candidate from each voter, so there's no way to "lower candidate B's score artificially". There's no averaging going on here.

unholiness 4y ago

Absolutely. Naive exaggeration is a fantastic way to make your vote count more than others in score voting. It also encourages more negative campaign tactics, since convincing a voter to rank your opponent 0 rather than 4 is literally 4 times as powerful as convincing them to rank you a 5 rather than a 4.

ClayShentrup 4y ago
you have this exactly backwards, as explained by 3 different math phd experts here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ https://www.rangevoting.org/NESD https://www.rangevoting.org/NESD https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/VSEbasic/ https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/VSEbasic/

naniwaduni 4y ago

This is a case for approval over score voting. It's not a good case for RCV over approval!

ClayShentrup 4y ago
no, it's not a case for approval voting over score voting, because score voting is better than approval voting if even one voter votes sincerely. if enough people use honest scores, then score voting is better than approval voting even for the "honest suckers". https://www.rangevoting.org/ShExpRes https://www.rangevoting.org/ShExpRes

ClayShentrup 4y ago

no. scoring is more resistant to strategy. consider a green party supporter who normally votes democrat. with score voting or approval voting, he also votes green (of course). with ranked voting, he still ranks the democrat strategically in 1st place to avoid getting the republican, and that makes it impossible for third parties to grow. ranking is too vulnerable to strategy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ