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FreeBSD is doing a great job catching up to Linux, yes, (not in the ZFS case though where they were the pioneers) but once you start catching up you have to, we

FreeBSD is doing a great job catching up to Linux, yes, (not in the ZFS case though where they were the pioneers) but once you start catching up you have to, well, continue catching up in perpetuity.

nix23 4y ago
Na, FreeBSD is not catching up/down to Linux..absolutely no interest..with one exception..drivers. But if you work with Illumos or *BSD's for a extended time, Linux feels dirty and bloated..just not right anymore, if you like linux good...i am happy for you but i try to avoid linux if i can (obviously not always the case...OracleDB, DB2, k8s and so on). >ZFS case though where they were the pioneers No that was OpenSolaris...and i am still sad about it. But Jails? I would say that was a real pioneering, whereas Solaris came a bit later with Zones and then a decade later Linux, you probably call that containers "a pure linux invention" today ;)
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > But Jails? I would say that was a real pioneering, whereas Solaris came a bit later with Zones and then a decade later Linux, you probably call that containers "a pure linux invention" today ;) Containers are a pure Linux invention: BSD jails/Solaris zones are a different creature to Linux namespaces and cgroups - the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers
  - nix23 4y ago
    Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. >the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones ;) BTW are you from a marketing department? ....composibility....stop with that stinking shit please.
    - sangnoir 4y ago
      > Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. Containers are considerably more than virtualization[1], which is why jails/zones/kvm never took off, but Docker did. > Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones Indeed, containers make for very poor security boundaries. But there are upsides to sharing the same kernel. > composibility....stop with that stinking shit please. Are you unfamiliar with "composition" as a software design/architecture term? One can create and bundle (Docker) containers that work together and have a shared network interface in a way that jails can't. As an example, a reverse proxy + service backend + db working in concert. 1. Disk storage format, standardized packaging descriptor, repository.
      - nix23 4y ago
        It's like you don't even understand what a container is, let alone comparing kvm with jails. Then giving a example that is a piece of cake for jails/zones...even in a concert. Please educate yourself about zones, brandedzones and lxzones (for the solaris/illumos) or jails (for the bsd side) it's really interesting i can tell you, and additionally you don't sound like marketing blabla after that.

FreeBSD is doing a great job catching up to Linux, yes, (not in the ZFS case though where they were the pioneers) but once you start catching up you have to, well, continue catching up in perpetuity.

nix23 4y ago

Na, FreeBSD is not catching up/down to Linux..absolutely no interest..with one exception..drivers. But if you work with Illumos or *BSD's for a extended time, Linux feels dirty and bloated..just not right anymore, if you like linux good...i am happy for you but i try to avoid linux if i can (obviously not always the case...OracleDB, DB2, k8s and so on). >ZFS case though where they were the pioneers No that was OpenSolaris...and i am still sad about it. But Jails? I would say that was a real pioneering, whereas Solaris came a bit later with Zones and then a decade later Linux, you probably call that containers "a pure linux invention" today ;)

sangnoir 4y ago
> But Jails? I would say that was a real pioneering, whereas Solaris came a bit later with Zones and then a decade later Linux, you probably call that containers "a pure linux invention" today ;) Containers are a pure Linux invention: BSD jails/Solaris zones are a different creature to Linux namespaces and cgroups - the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers
- nix23 4y ago
  Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. >the lack of isolation is what enables composibility of containers Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones ;) BTW are you from a marketing department? ....composibility....stop with that stinking shit please.
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    > Containers are marketing slang for operating-system virtualization. Containers are considerably more than virtualization[1], which is why jails/zones/kvm never took off, but Docker did. > Oh really? So containers are not isolated to each other...that's some news...bad ones Indeed, containers make for very poor security boundaries. But there are upsides to sharing the same kernel. > composibility....stop with that stinking shit please. Are you unfamiliar with "composition" as a software design/architecture term? One can create and bundle (Docker) containers that work together and have a shared network interface in a way that jails can't. As an example, a reverse proxy + service backend + db working in concert. 1. Disk storage format, standardized packaging descriptor, repository.
    - nix23 4y ago
      It's like you don't even understand what a container is, let alone comparing kvm with jails. Then giving a example that is a piece of cake for jails/zones...even in a concert. Please educate yourself about zones, brandedzones and lxzones (for the solaris/illumos) or jails (for the bsd side) it's really interesting i can tell you, and additionally you don't sound like marketing blabla after that.