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Exactly. Brave just takes Chromium (from Google) and adds weird crypto stuff to it. None of the Chromium forks are "different browsers" in my eyes. They all dep

Exactly. Brave just takes Chromium (from Google) and adds weird crypto stuff to it. None of the Chromium forks are "different browsers" in my eyes. They all depend on upstream for everything important. They couldn't develop the browser on their own. Just use Firefox. It works just as well as Chrome (*), but it's based on a completely different engine which was built from the ground up. (*) On desktop at least (on Android I still use a Chromium fork for now)

Ylpertnodi 4y ago
>Just use Firefox. No. Well, I'm not so rude, so "No, thank you". >It works just as well as Chrome () Not on anything* I use, it doesn't, so "No....thank you". Tbf, I do keep trying ff, but...clunky, jeepers! 'Fraid I'll hang on until my Brave jumps it's particular shark and then maybe I'll hop over to something else, but for now, and as long as I can still use UblockO, Brave it is. Even Opera is looking interesting again....
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > Even Opera is looking interesting again.... What browsers have you been daily-driving to come to that conclusion?
silisili 4y ago
> Brave just takes Chromium (from Google) and adds weird crypto stuff to it That's a really unfair(and untrue) statement. Brave also removes some code they find privacy violating, built in a best in class adblocker, built a full cross-device sync system that works perfectly, some UI tweaks and enhancements, built Tor connectivity in, etc. Probably a lot more that I'm leaving out. I am def not a fan of crypto or BATs or whatever they were pushing, but you can use it fine ignoring all of that.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  To be fair, you can also disable Microsoft's built-in VPN. The problem is trusting people who don't have your best interests at heart, and using Brave products just kicks that can further down the road.
  - somenameforme 4y ago
    Brave is 100% open source: https://github.com/brave/ https://github.com/brave/ Normally this might just be a platitude of the sort, "Go check it for yourself." But in this case that's not what I'm saying. Brave is going to be used by large numbers of tech focused users with a privacy/security bent. And they are also competing against Google who will make sure even the slightest slip by Brave is promoted across the entirety of the web. That code is scrutinized heavily. That the worst you can find about Brave is people making false statements about crypto stuff (it is entirely optional and opt-in with 0 coercion or dark patterns to push you there) speaks incredibly highly as to the current state of the Browser. Might that change in the future, as you seem to be suggesting? Yip! And when it does there will be a new Brave. But for now they continue to stay on an excellent path forward.
LtWorf 4y ago
As if chromium wasn't a fork of konqueror
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- account42 4y ago
  Blink (Chrome) is a fork of WebKit which is a fork of KHTML (Konqueror), but that is a very much different situation. None of the Chromium/WebKit-based browsers are full forks but rather merge custom patches with upstream development. They don't have the development capacity to go against any Google changes except for a few things here and there. Meanwhile Google isn't relying on KDE to develop new features - in fact KDE isn't developing any new KHTML features but instead is switching (or has switched) to WebKit/Blink.
tbrownaw 4y ago
I have at least three sites I use that i have to open in edge since they don't work properly in Firefox. Local bank, credit card issuer, and employer's guest wifi login portal.
- beebeepka 4y ago
  Oh my. I wonder what that banking site must be doing for it to not work on Firefox. It's either malice or inconvenience, or both
- brabel 4y ago
  I use FF and when this happens it's almost always some extension you have installed. Try disabling some extensions and go to those sites again. If they still don't work, they're doing some messed up stuff on those sites.
staticassertion 4y ago
The thing I like most about Brave is actually the crypto stuff, and I hate almost all crypto. This is actually a good use case for it - you have a distributed system (users browsing) across untrusted hosts (users). People like to shit on advertising, but much of the internet exists today because of advertising. Do you think Youtube could exist at that scale without ads? I don't think so, personally. At least, not without another way to monetize. Brave is the only player providing an alternative monetization strategy. Crypto or not, to me, that is by far the most interesting thing a browser has done in a long, long time.
magic_hamster 4y ago
I don't see a reason to use anything but Firefox on Android. It's got full parity to it's desktop counterpart. It's amazing.
- daptaq 4y ago
  You could also consider the Firefox forks Fennec and Mull.
- Zardoz84 4y ago
  and allows to install an adblocker
- rightbyte 4y ago
  Many sites are broken on non-Google browsers though. But the advantage of being able to use adblockers in Firefox alone outweight that - not even taking privacy into consideration.
  - lemper 4y ago
    I actually use firefox on android for 7 years or so. never experienced broken sites on it. can you please give me some examples of broken sites?
    - rightbyte 4y ago
      Thinking about it, only internal time reporting tools. Both on my current and prior employer they only worked with Chrome or IE. I think I overestimate the amount of broken sites due to the adblocker messing them up, not Firefox.
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- maguirre 4y ago
  Tangentially related. Using Firefox on Linux for anything Google chat/voice call related is not a very pleasant experience
antifa 4y ago
> (on Android I still use a Chromium fork for now) What chromium fork is on android and actually better than Firefox for android? I use Firefox for the best possible experience on android and would like to be aware of another option.
- NotPractical 4y ago
  I personally use Bromite: https://www.bromite.org/ https://www.bromite.org/ From my (anecdotal) experience, Bromite is faster than Firefox on my phone, but your mileage may vary. I was originally using Firefox due to its uBlock Origin support, but Bromite has ad-blocking built-in (unfortunately it's not quite up to par with uBO but it works well enough). I would suggest that you try both and see which one you prefer.
rs999gti 4y ago
> Just use Firefox I want to but in Firefox developer tools there is no option for developer tools to follow new tabs. Apparently this has been an open bug with Firefox for a while. But it is what keeps me from using Firefox vs Chromium's full time

Ylpertnodi 4y ago

>Just use Firefox. No. Well, I'm not so rude, so "No, thank you". >It works just as well as Chrome () Not on anything* I use, it doesn't, so "No....thank you". Tbf, I do keep trying ff, but...clunky, jeepers! 'Fraid I'll hang on until my Brave jumps it's particular shark and then maybe I'll hop over to something else, but for now, and as long as I can still use UblockO, Brave it is. Even Opera is looking interesting again....

smoldesu 4y ago
> Even Opera is looking interesting again.... What browsers have you been daily-driving to come to that conclusion?

silisili 4y ago

> Brave just takes Chromium (from Google) and adds weird crypto stuff to it That's a really unfair(and untrue) statement. Brave also removes some code they find privacy violating, built in a best in class adblocker, built a full cross-device sync system that works perfectly, some UI tweaks and enhancements, built Tor connectivity in, etc. Probably a lot more that I'm leaving out. I am def not a fan of crypto or BATs or whatever they were pushing, but you can use it fine ignoring all of that.

smoldesu 4y ago
To be fair, you can also disable Microsoft's built-in VPN. The problem is trusting people who don't have your best interests at heart, and using Brave products just kicks that can further down the road.
- somenameforme 4y ago
  Brave is 100% open source: https://github.com/brave/ https://github.com/brave/ Normally this might just be a platitude of the sort, "Go check it for yourself." But in this case that's not what I'm saying. Brave is going to be used by large numbers of tech focused users with a privacy/security bent. And they are also competing against Google who will make sure even the slightest slip by Brave is promoted across the entirety of the web. That code is scrutinized heavily. That the worst you can find about Brave is people making false statements about crypto stuff (it is entirely optional and opt-in with 0 coercion or dark patterns to push you there) speaks incredibly highly as to the current state of the Browser. Might that change in the future, as you seem to be suggesting? Yip! And when it does there will be a new Brave. But for now they continue to stay on an excellent path forward.

LtWorf 4y ago

As if chromium wasn't a fork of konqueror

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account42 4y ago
Blink (Chrome) is a fork of WebKit which is a fork of KHTML (Konqueror), but that is a very much different situation. None of the Chromium/WebKit-based browsers are full forks but rather merge custom patches with upstream development. They don't have the development capacity to go against any Google changes except for a few things here and there. Meanwhile Google isn't relying on KDE to develop new features - in fact KDE isn't developing any new KHTML features but instead is switching (or has switched) to WebKit/Blink.

tbrownaw 4y ago

I have at least three sites I use that i have to open in edge since they don't work properly in Firefox. Local bank, credit card issuer, and employer's guest wifi login portal.

beebeepka 4y ago
Oh my. I wonder what that banking site must be doing for it to not work on Firefox. It's either malice or inconvenience, or both
brabel 4y ago
I use FF and when this happens it's almost always some extension you have installed. Try disabling some extensions and go to those sites again. If they still don't work, they're doing some messed up stuff on those sites.

staticassertion 4y ago

The thing I like most about Brave is actually the crypto stuff, and I hate almost all crypto. This is actually a good use case for it - you have a distributed system (users browsing) across untrusted hosts (users). People like to shit on advertising, but much of the internet exists today because of advertising. Do you think Youtube could exist at that scale without ads? I don't think so, personally. At least, not without another way to monetize. Brave is the only player providing an alternative monetization strategy. Crypto or not, to me, that is by far the most interesting thing a browser has done in a long, long time.

magic_hamster 4y ago

I don't see a reason to use anything but Firefox on Android. It's got full parity to it's desktop counterpart. It's amazing.

daptaq 4y ago
You could also consider the Firefox forks Fennec and Mull.
Zardoz84 4y ago
and allows to install an adblocker
rightbyte 4y ago
Many sites are broken on non-Google browsers though. But the advantage of being able to use adblockers in Firefox alone outweight that - not even taking privacy into consideration.
- lemper 4y ago
  I actually use firefox on android for 7 years or so. never experienced broken sites on it. can you please give me some examples of broken sites?
  - rightbyte 4y ago
    Thinking about it, only internal time reporting tools. Both on my current and prior employer they only worked with Chrome or IE. I think I overestimate the amount of broken sites due to the adblocker messing them up, not Firefox.
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maguirre 4y ago
Tangentially related. Using Firefox on Linux for anything Google chat/voice call related is not a very pleasant experience

antifa 4y ago

> (on Android I still use a Chromium fork for now) What chromium fork is on android and actually better than Firefox for android? I use Firefox for the best possible experience on android and would like to be aware of another option.

NotPractical 4y ago
I personally use Bromite: https://www.bromite.org/ https://www.bromite.org/ From my (anecdotal) experience, Bromite is faster than Firefox on my phone, but your mileage may vary. I was originally using Firefox due to its uBlock Origin support, but Bromite has ad-blocking built-in (unfortunately it's not quite up to par with uBO but it works well enough). I would suggest that you try both and see which one you prefer.

rs999gti 4y ago

> Just use Firefox I want to but in Firefox developer tools there is no option for developer tools to follow new tabs. Apparently this has been an open bug with Firefox for a while. But it is what keeps me from using Firefox vs Chromium's full time