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> These are the things many of us know, but aren't supposed to say out loud in some polite circles. You're spending the majority of your comment saying "great
by peterangular 4y ago
> These are the things many of us know, but aren't supposed to say out loud in some polite circles.
You're spending the majority of your comment saying "great numbers" of these folks are claiming asylum in bad-faith. You imply "great numbers" of them are here to game/play the system. You call a "great number" of them liars. You imply that they're criminals (not acting lawfully).
> I applaud their efforts
No you don't. You're painting "great numbers" of these people out to be untrustworthy to the point of preemptively calling them criminals.
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> and the idea that all these people are 'acting lawfully' is not only factually incorrect I assert you KNOW it is factually incorrect and use it here as propaganda
Instead of asserting what I know, maybe provide sources for your argument. I take it as an outright aggression toward me that you posit I am spreading propaganda.
Regardless. I rebut:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
> We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.
It's common sense that if you're looking to immigrate somewhere that you're not out there looking to break the law. Every study I have come across in regards to this seems to have similar outcomes. They know if they break the law they will likely be deported; and they typically act accordingly because they want to live, work, and raise their families in America.
I take great issue with you claiming I'm spreading propaganda. In good-faith I assure you, I am not.
- notch656a 4y agoI'm fine calling anyone who lies to immigration a trustworthy patriot. Believe me, I've been fucked with endlessly by DHS/CBP. They even got a federal search warrant and cavity searched me, and racked up thousands in medical bills in my name by cuffing and dragging me to hospitals and lying to doctors claiming there were drugs up my ass. They (CBP) has threatened to deny me entry to the country (with a US passport), to revoke my passport (with no legal mechanism), and all sorts of bullshit -- they're the biggest liars in town! I think people who don't cooperate with immigration services are the trustworthy ones. Hell I think the asylum seekers are probably 'trustworthy' as anybody else -- just often not in their claims. I understand 'bad-faith' is practically a requirement for many people claiming asylum. I get it. I readily acknowledge they are generally more law abiding. I only contend that a great number of 'asylum seekers' are gaming the system. I find that perfectly moral, but I aint no fool about what's happening. >Every study I have come across The (2/2.5/4x) you cite from the study is undocumented immigrants, not people formally documented as asylum seekers and permitted into the country. I appreciate you taking issue with my claims. Hopefully this feedback correct your behavior.
- peterangular 4y ago> Hopefully this feedback correct your behavior. What behavior?