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And so is Musk.

DoctorOW 4y ago
Is the work you do to your credit or your boss's? I fundamentally reject the argument that being financially invested in engineering projects makes him an engineer.
- joenot443 4y ago
  I'm of the opinion that engineering things is what makes someone an engineer. If you're under the impression that Musk's entire career has been in management, I'd encourage you to do some more reading.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    I’d encourage you to do the same. Give concrete examples.
    - SyzygistSix 4y ago
      https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200?s=19 https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200... https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20 https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20 https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk/How-did-Elon-Musk-learn-enough-about-rockets-to-create-and-run-SpaceX/answer/Jim-Cantrell?share=1 https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk/How-did-Elon-Musk-learn-enou... Jim Keller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=4851s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=4851s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3854s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3854s
      - xedeon 4y ago
        There are many other examples that can be found by just doing a quick search. But it seems that some individuals even refuse to do so. They would rather stick to their strong (sometimes objectively flawed) opinions. Which is totally fine. Everyone is entitled to. It's just embarrassingly bad when they try to regurgitate it to others and continue to double down. Even when presented with irrefutable data or new information.
        bmitc 4y ago
        That’s fine you think that, but do you have anything that isn’t the same third party anecdotes that get repeated as nauseam? At least one of those is by an extremely unreliable narrator and an Elon sycophant and one of the others by another who thinks he’s knows everything as well.
        xedeon 4y ago
        > but do you have anything that isn’t the same third party anecdotes that get repeated as nauseam? First, can you give a "concrete example" on what you consider as a "concrete example"? Because so far, I've only seen name calling and flippant remarks from you. I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from. That way, we can start from a place of understanding. Instead of going in circles and you moving the goal post.
      - bmitc 4y ago
        I could have predicted half of those tired examples. They’re all third party anecdotes and the same ones that get passed around and regurgitated. There’s also third-party anecdotes of Elon having no idea what he’s talking about, and several first-party arguments he’s made that shows he’s a bit of a charlatan. None of those examples you gave are concrete.
- renaudg 4y ago
  Here's the game he wrote at age 12 : https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/ https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/
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  - DoctorOW 4y ago
    The most charitable interpretation is that this does nothing to disprove the perception he is simply taking credit for others engineering work. At best it is not proof he played a significant role on the engineering side of the projects he's financed. At worst, it is very much playing into the stereotype of the manager who got far too grand ideas of his talent from writing code 30 years ago.
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bmitc 4y ago
Since when?
- martyvis 4y ago
  Watch this walk around Starbase with Elon and Tim Dodd, and you'll get a pretty good sense that he has an engineering brain that really understands the complexities of design, build and execute more than anything. https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw
  - bmitc 4y ago
    I will watch it, but is he the same the “engineering” brain that thinks his Tesla tunnels are a good idea, continually promises tech that is decades away from realization is right around the corner (like self-driving cars or a humanoid robot or a Mars mission), and got replaced as the runner of the actual engineering organization (SpaceX)?
    - martyvis 4y ago
      Elon clearly overpromises - but he also over delivers. SpaceX's current capability to deliver payloads to orbit is so far ahead of anyone else (particular considering they started from scratch only 20 years ago). Even their Starlink in just a few years had leapfrogged over incumbent providers. Tesla may not have achieved all they have promised but there is no denying they are the company that is leading innovation in not only EV but even in their approach to manufacturing.
      - camdat 4y ago
        > but he also over delivers My family has had reservations for the Roadster, the Cybertruck, and we have a first-edition Model 3 & X. Tesla has overpromised on all of our reservations, and the final product, imo, is not "overdelivering". It's honestly just barely "delivering". >but even in their approach to manufacturing. This is pure Tesla propaganda. Yes they have built bigger versions of existing technology (supepress, gigafactory), but they're definitely not leading innovation in car production, as evidenced by M3s still having the largest panel gaps in the industry.
fortuna86 4y ago
He went to business school.

And so is Musk.

Is the work you do to your credit or your boss's? I fundamentally reject the argument that being financially invested in engineering projects makes him an engineer.

joenot443 4y ago
I'm of the opinion that engineering things is what makes someone an engineer. If you're under the impression that Musk's entire career has been in management, I'd encourage you to do some more reading.
- bmitc 4y ago
  I’d encourage you to do the same. Give concrete examples.
  - SyzygistSix 4y ago
    https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200?s=19 https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200... https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20 https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20 https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk/How-did-Elon-Musk-learn-enough-about-rockets-to-create-and-run-SpaceX/answer/Jim-Cantrell?share=1 https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk/How-did-Elon-Musk-learn-enou... Jim Keller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=4851s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=4851s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3854s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3854s
    - xedeon 4y ago
      There are many other examples that can be found by just doing a quick search. But it seems that some individuals even refuse to do so. They would rather stick to their strong (sometimes objectively flawed) opinions. Which is totally fine. Everyone is entitled to. It's just embarrassingly bad when they try to regurgitate it to others and continue to double down. Even when presented with irrefutable data or new information.
      - bmitc 4y ago
        That’s fine you think that, but do you have anything that isn’t the same third party anecdotes that get repeated as nauseam? At least one of those is by an extremely unreliable narrator and an Elon sycophant and one of the others by another who thinks he’s knows everything as well.
        xedeon 4y ago
        > but do you have anything that isn’t the same third party anecdotes that get repeated as nauseam? First, can you give a "concrete example" on what you consider as a "concrete example"? Because so far, I've only seen name calling and flippant remarks from you. I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from. That way, we can start from a place of understanding. Instead of going in circles and you moving the goal post.
    - bmitc 4y ago
      I could have predicted half of those tired examples. They’re all third party anecdotes and the same ones that get passed around and regurgitated. There’s also third-party anecdotes of Elon having no idea what he’s talking about, and several first-party arguments he’s made that shows he’s a bit of a charlatan. None of those examples you gave are concrete.
renaudg 4y ago
Here's the game he wrote at age 12 : https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/ https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/
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- DoctorOW 4y ago
  The most charitable interpretation is that this does nothing to disprove the perception he is simply taking credit for others engineering work. At best it is not proof he played a significant role on the engineering side of the projects he's financed. At worst, it is very much playing into the stereotype of the manager who got far too grand ideas of his talent from writing code 30 years ago.
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bmitc 4y ago

Since when?

martyvis 4y ago
Watch this walk around Starbase with Elon and Tim Dodd, and you'll get a pretty good sense that he has an engineering brain that really understands the complexities of design, build and execute more than anything. https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw
- bmitc 4y ago
  I will watch it, but is he the same the “engineering” brain that thinks his Tesla tunnels are a good idea, continually promises tech that is decades away from realization is right around the corner (like self-driving cars or a humanoid robot or a Mars mission), and got replaced as the runner of the actual engineering organization (SpaceX)?
  - martyvis 4y ago
    Elon clearly overpromises - but he also over delivers. SpaceX's current capability to deliver payloads to orbit is so far ahead of anyone else (particular considering they started from scratch only 20 years ago). Even their Starlink in just a few years had leapfrogged over incumbent providers. Tesla may not have achieved all they have promised but there is no denying they are the company that is leading innovation in not only EV but even in their approach to manufacturing.
    - camdat 4y ago
      > but he also over delivers My family has had reservations for the Roadster, the Cybertruck, and we have a first-edition Model 3 & X. Tesla has overpromised on all of our reservations, and the final product, imo, is not "overdelivering". It's honestly just barely "delivering". >but even in their approach to manufacturing. This is pure Tesla propaganda. Yes they have built bigger versions of existing technology (supepress, gigafactory), but they're definitely not leading innovation in car production, as evidenced by M3s still having the largest panel gaps in the industry.

fortuna86 4y ago

He went to business school.