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He does have a point about food animals though. We are perfectly ok with treating them horribly their whole lives to save few cents on the costs (not to mention

He does have a point about food animals though. We are perfectly ok with treating them horribly their whole lives to save few cents on the costs (not to mention killing them at all). Yet we pretend to be shocked when something that makes us feel squeamish happens. And then go right back to chewing on that steak...

lm28469 4y ago
> He does have a point about food animals though. People can make a choice for themselves, most don't because deep down they don't give a fuck, many do though
- addicted 4y ago
  But many, in fact most, people do. There’s a reason a bunch of states passed laws making it illegal to photograph the warehouses where these animals are raised. If there was a transparency law, that required an accurate picture of the location where the animals whose meat is being sold was raised to be stuck on the packaging it wouldn’t be very long before the more inhumane (or more accurately, the more inhumane looking) meat sources would become unprofitable. Because most people are willing to pay a little bit more if they fully understand the ethical consequences. Actually, what is more likely to happen is that many people would eat meat less frequently, opting for more plant based sources of protein and then spend the extra money needed for the more humane meat when they wanted meat itself.
  - quantified 4y ago
    And, cigarettes have to show lung damage photos (federal) and reproductive health clinics need to show you sonograms of your fetus (state).
  - nobodyandproud 4y ago
    > Because most people are willing to pay a little bit more if they fully understand the ethical consequences. Actually, what is more likely to happen is that many people would eat meat less frequently, opting for more plant based sources of protein and then spend the extra money needed for the more humane meat when they wanted meat itself. Most people I’ve grown up with are aware but don’t care or just put it out mind. Willful blindness is a very human condition and a terrifying one.
  - soulofmischief 4y ago
    These people don't care how many children were involved in the production of their iPhone and Nike shoes, they DEFINITELY don't care about the ethics of their meat consumption.
farisjarrah 4y ago
Just because people eat meat out of a package from the super market does not mean they are okay with their bacon being raised on a farm where the pig was in a 1 square meter cage its whole life. Most people don't have the time, effort, or will to fight against large factory farming practices because they are too busy trying to survive and take care of themselves and their families. You can eat meat and still care about the welfare of the animals being raised. They're not mutually exclusive things.
- nobodyandproud 4y ago
  > Just because people eat meat out of a package from the super market does not mean they are okay with their bacon being raised on a farm where the pig was in a 1 square meter cage its whole life. Most people don't have the time, effort, or will to fight against large factory farming practices because they are too busy trying to survive and take care of themselves and their families. Unless one is a hunter-gatherer, meat eating isn’t about survival. Instead, what it means is that they may care; but not enough to give up or work on giving up the pleasure of eating meat daily.
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  I'd like to introduce you to the concepts of vegetarianism and veganism, with which one can claim to care about the welfare of factory farmed animals without being full of crap. No one is forcing these people to participate. Being overworked is an absolutely ridiculous excuse for not being able to cut out unethically farmed meat from your diet.
mywittyname 4y ago
Monkeys are primates though, which I feel like entitles them to somewhat special treatment. They are cognitively equivalent to a human child. While chickens are dumb, evil animals.

lm28469 4y ago

> He does have a point about food animals though. People can make a choice for themselves, most don't because deep down they don't give a fuck, many do though

addicted 4y ago
But many, in fact most, people do. There’s a reason a bunch of states passed laws making it illegal to photograph the warehouses where these animals are raised. If there was a transparency law, that required an accurate picture of the location where the animals whose meat is being sold was raised to be stuck on the packaging it wouldn’t be very long before the more inhumane (or more accurately, the more inhumane looking) meat sources would become unprofitable. Because most people are willing to pay a little bit more if they fully understand the ethical consequences. Actually, what is more likely to happen is that many people would eat meat less frequently, opting for more plant based sources of protein and then spend the extra money needed for the more humane meat when they wanted meat itself.
- quantified 4y ago
  And, cigarettes have to show lung damage photos (federal) and reproductive health clinics need to show you sonograms of your fetus (state).
- nobodyandproud 4y ago
  > Because most people are willing to pay a little bit more if they fully understand the ethical consequences. Actually, what is more likely to happen is that many people would eat meat less frequently, opting for more plant based sources of protein and then spend the extra money needed for the more humane meat when they wanted meat itself. Most people I’ve grown up with are aware but don’t care or just put it out mind. Willful blindness is a very human condition and a terrifying one.
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  These people don't care how many children were involved in the production of their iPhone and Nike shoes, they DEFINITELY don't care about the ethics of their meat consumption.

farisjarrah 4y ago

Just because people eat meat out of a package from the super market does not mean they are okay with their bacon being raised on a farm where the pig was in a 1 square meter cage its whole life. Most people don't have the time, effort, or will to fight against large factory farming practices because they are too busy trying to survive and take care of themselves and their families. You can eat meat and still care about the welfare of the animals being raised. They're not mutually exclusive things.

nobodyandproud 4y ago
> Just because people eat meat out of a package from the super market does not mean they are okay with their bacon being raised on a farm where the pig was in a 1 square meter cage its whole life. Most people don't have the time, effort, or will to fight against large factory farming practices because they are too busy trying to survive and take care of themselves and their families. Unless one is a hunter-gatherer, meat eating isn’t about survival. Instead, what it means is that they may care; but not enough to give up or work on giving up the pleasure of eating meat daily.
soulofmischief 4y ago
I'd like to introduce you to the concepts of vegetarianism and veganism, with which one can claim to care about the welfare of factory farmed animals without being full of crap. No one is forcing these people to participate. Being overworked is an absolutely ridiculous excuse for not being able to cut out unethically farmed meat from your diet.

mywittyname 4y ago

Monkeys are primates though, which I feel like entitles them to somewhat special treatment. They are cognitively equivalent to a human child. While chickens are dumb, evil animals.