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that "[point] of the justice system" only works if you consider everyone in a vacuum and have the false notion everyone has equal access to resources. parent al

by nerb 4y ago

that "[point] of the justice system" only works if you consider everyone in a vacuum and have the false notion everyone has equal access to resources. parent already outlined why people living on the street don't have the means to throw away trash in the right place, but you're focused on it "enabl[ing] bad behavior" and (i assume) in support of giving people that have no money fines (which also unfairly impact poorer people, but i'm sure that's lost on you as well). we have immense resources to provide public utilities like roads, why can't there be more public garbage cans (which benefit everyone; last time i visited SF it was a pain carrying trash everywhere)

maerF0x0 4y ago
> eryone has equal access to resources No false notions required -- all living people have a risk of loss of freedoms, which is why prison works. > why can't there be more public garbage cans I suppose this mostly makes sense until we start to have local businesses using them for free trash disposal. Why would I be more in favor of public trash cans you ask? (so you dont have to continue presuming...) Because it's enabling and encouraging an ideal behavior -- people dispose of their trash in an orderly manner.
- runarberg 4y ago
  > I suppose this mostly makes sense until we start to have local businesses using them for free trash disposal. If you really cared about this, then you would simply impose a simple tax on local businesses and give them garbage service in return. Or you’d enforce proper garbage disposal on the businesses not the unhoused. It is a lot easier to monitor and enforce the garbage disposal of businesses then that of the unhoused.
- nerb 4y ago
  > all living people have a risk of loss of freedoms you realize that the justice system doesn't equally impact everyone, right? people with more wealth, more access are demonstrably treated better and have better outcomes with regard to the justice system, so no, all living people do not have the same risk of losing freedoms. > ... which is why prison works ah, there it is i'm glad you agree with more access to public trash cans; however, i think it should be called out > local businesses using them for free trash disposal is already done in homeless encampments. i can find some, but there are many reports of businesses dumping in encampments because there's little risk of getting caught and no one bats an eye at trash-ridden encampments.
  - maerF0x0 4y ago
    > everyone, right? people with more wealth, more access are demonstrably treated I agree with you that this is an injustice and should be fixed, that doesnt mean we shouldnt work towards using the tool (it's not a either/or scenario, we can do both) . > is already done in homeless encampments. ... Only furthers my point as to why we should not be enabling bad behaviors
    - runarberg 4y ago
      > I agree with you that this is an injustice and should be fixed, that doesnt mean we shouldnt work towards using the tool (it's not a either/or scenario, we can do both) . idk. the amount the police harasses the unhoused, I think we all would be living in a police state if the same brutality was employed equally across citizens.

by nerb 4y ago

maerF0x0 4y ago

> eryone has equal access to resources No false notions required -- all living people have a risk of loss of freedoms, which is why prison works. > why can't there be more public garbage cans I suppose this mostly makes sense until we start to have local businesses using them for free trash disposal. Why would I be more in favor of public trash cans you ask? (so you dont have to continue presuming...) Because it's enabling and encouraging an ideal behavior -- people dispose of their trash in an orderly manner.

runarberg 4y ago
> I suppose this mostly makes sense until we start to have local businesses using them for free trash disposal. If you really cared about this, then you would simply impose a simple tax on local businesses and give them garbage service in return. Or you’d enforce proper garbage disposal on the businesses not the unhoused. It is a lot easier to monitor and enforce the garbage disposal of businesses then that of the unhoused.
nerb 4y ago
> all living people have a risk of loss of freedoms you realize that the justice system doesn't equally impact everyone, right? people with more wealth, more access are demonstrably treated better and have better outcomes with regard to the justice system, so no, all living people do not have the same risk of losing freedoms. > ... which is why prison works ah, there it is i'm glad you agree with more access to public trash cans; however, i think it should be called out > local businesses using them for free trash disposal is already done in homeless encampments. i can find some, but there are many reports of businesses dumping in encampments because there's little risk of getting caught and no one bats an eye at trash-ridden encampments.
- maerF0x0 4y ago
  > everyone, right? people with more wealth, more access are demonstrably treated I agree with you that this is an injustice and should be fixed, that doesnt mean we shouldnt work towards using the tool (it's not a either/or scenario, we can do both) . > is already done in homeless encampments. ... Only furthers my point as to why we should not be enabling bad behaviors
  - runarberg 4y ago
    > I agree with you that this is an injustice and should be fixed, that doesnt mean we shouldnt work towards using the tool (it's not a either/or scenario, we can do both) . idk. the amount the police harasses the unhoused, I think we all would be living in a police state if the same brutality was employed equally across citizens.