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Isn't that obvious? It's to strengthen Germany's resolve. The temptation to surrender and get the gas turned back on is going to be enormous this coming winter.

Isn't that obvious? It's to strengthen Germany's resolve. The temptation to surrender and get the gas turned back on is going to be enormous this coming winter. Germany and several other countries have made plans to shut down parts of heavy industry to save gas for heating. This is more than likely to put increasing pressure on governments to give in to Russia's demands. Now they can't, even if they want to, so that pressure is gone.

sprash 4y ago
Indeed. It's most probably an inside job.
- desindol 4y ago
  You are saying someone crawled inside the pipelines and punctured them from within?
  - wobbleblob 4y ago
    I just heard energy analyst krutikhin explain on the news that Gazprom could have blown them up using so called "pigs", maintenance drones that move through the pipes.
  - speed_spread 4y ago
    It's those methane breathers terrorists again! Fucking gasbags...
RandomLensman 4y ago
There really isn't anywhere close to something like a median voter wanting to get the gas flowing from Russia again in Germany - now or in the winter. A government giving in to the more fringy hard right/hard left asking for that would not survive. The German-Russian relationship has been damaged for decades to come now.
- cptaj 4y ago
  And yet they keep blocking arms shipments to ukraine
  - RandomLensman 4y ago
    No, one of the governing parties keeps blocking. Edit: And stuff has been shipped, too.
- sprash 4y ago
  I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.
  - fabian2k 4y ago
    70% of Germans favor continuing support for Ukraine even if that causes high energy prices (https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/politbarometer-union-gruene-ampel-koalition-energiekrise-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/politbarometer-union-...). This value is practically unchanged for months.
    - sprash 4y ago
      For now maybe (I wouldn't believe those polls sponsored by state media for a second btw.). Even the strongest anti-Putin propaganda campaign will go up in flames as soon as people have sit in the cold and lose their jobs at the same time. Then it's a very convenient situation for politicians that the pipelines can't easily be switched on again because they got "somehow damaged". Therefore it was most probably an inside job.
    - Markoff 4y ago
    - cyber_kinetist 4y ago
      …let’s see how this number goes when winter comes. People generally don’t want themselves to freeze to death.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Isn't that obvious? No. These aren’t disabling attacks. It could be a warning from the Kremlin; a false flag operation; internecine warfare; interference by the U.S., Gulf or private actors in Norway; or a pipeline built by the same corruption that shipped cardboard armour [1] doing what Russian-involved infrastructure does. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/1501960588595015686?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/15019605885950156...
- lm28469 4y ago
  I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/949568887891062794/unknown-10.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there Egg cartons in place of tank reactive armour may be on a schematic. That makes it no less useless. To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.
    - lm28469 4y ago
      - they're not egg cartons - what do you know about russian tank armor ? > To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality. Yes, but where did I say the opposite ? There are dozens of reports showing it's running on fumes, there is no need to ridicule ourselves by propagating factually wrong infos Saying "X fact" about russia is wrong doesn't mean someone supports their action. We all know their army is shit and any semblance of proper troops they had died in the first few weeks of the invasion
      - 4y ago
koheripbal 4y ago
This is not correct. Nordstream II is fully functional and can carry far more gas. This "accident" allows Russia to turn up the pressure on Germany without formally exiting it's contract. It creates plausible deniability for when they pressure Germany to pressure Ukraine to accept a ceasefire.
- origin_path 4y ago
  NS2 has also been taken out.
bilsbie 4y ago
I’m not following? Isn’t it less gas?

sprash 4y ago

Indeed. It's most probably an inside job.

desindol 4y ago
You are saying someone crawled inside the pipelines and punctured them from within?
- wobbleblob 4y ago
  I just heard energy analyst krutikhin explain on the news that Gazprom could have blown them up using so called "pigs", maintenance drones that move through the pipes.
- speed_spread 4y ago
  It's those methane breathers terrorists again! Fucking gasbags...

RandomLensman 4y ago

There really isn't anywhere close to something like a median voter wanting to get the gas flowing from Russia again in Germany - now or in the winter. A government giving in to the more fringy hard right/hard left asking for that would not survive. The German-Russian relationship has been damaged for decades to come now.

cptaj 4y ago
And yet they keep blocking arms shipments to ukraine
- RandomLensman 4y ago
  No, one of the governing parties keeps blocking. Edit: And stuff has been shipped, too.
sprash 4y ago
I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.
- fabian2k 4y ago
  70% of Germans favor continuing support for Ukraine even if that causes high energy prices (https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/politbarometer-union-gruene-ampel-koalition-energiekrise-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/politbarometer-union-...). This value is practically unchanged for months.
  - sprash 4y ago
    For now maybe (I wouldn't believe those polls sponsored by state media for a second btw.). Even the strongest anti-Putin propaganda campaign will go up in flames as soon as people have sit in the cold and lose their jobs at the same time. Then it's a very convenient situation for politicians that the pipelines can't easily be switched on again because they got "somehow damaged". Therefore it was most probably an inside job.
  - Markoff 4y ago
  - cyber_kinetist 4y ago
    …let’s see how this number goes when winter comes. People generally don’t want themselves to freeze to death.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> Isn't that obvious? No. These aren’t disabling attacks. It could be a warning from the Kremlin; a false flag operation; internecine warfare; interference by the U.S., Gulf or private actors in Norway; or a pipeline built by the same corruption that shipped cardboard armour [1] doing what Russian-involved infrastructure does. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/1501960588595015686?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/15019605885950156...

lm28469 4y ago
I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/949568887891062794/unknown-10.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there Egg cartons in place of tank reactive armour may be on a schematic. That makes it no less useless. To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    - they're not egg cartons - what do you know about russian tank armor ? > To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality. Yes, but where did I say the opposite ? There are dozens of reports showing it's running on fumes, there is no need to ridicule ourselves by propagating factually wrong infos Saying "X fact" about russia is wrong doesn't mean someone supports their action. We all know their army is shit and any semblance of proper troops they had died in the first few weeks of the invasion
    - 4y ago

koheripbal 4y ago

This is not correct. Nordstream II is fully functional and can carry far more gas. This "accident" allows Russia to turn up the pressure on Germany without formally exiting it's contract. It creates plausible deniability for when they pressure Germany to pressure Ukraine to accept a ceasefire.

origin_path 4y ago
NS2 has also been taken out.

bilsbie 4y ago

I’m not following? Isn’t it less gas?