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Not sure in what context the word "elite" is used when it comes to claiming there is a hiring bias. It may be thought that those schools have very high fees to

by psKama 4y ago

Not sure in what context the word "elite" is used when it comes to claiming there is a hiring bias. It may be thought that those schools have very high fees to attend but I would argue/claim (with no data in my hand) if it was looked deeper into their background, it is very likely that majority of those professors attended those schools via a sort of scholarship to start with as a result of their success prior to universities they got accepted. Therefore, although "elite" indicates mainly a social class, majority of those people are very likely coming from mid-class families and they just happen to have a good academic record. With that in mind, I wouldn't call this a bias but just a normal and beneficial outcome of the academic system.

mrkeen 4y ago
> it is very likely that majority of those professors attended those schools via a sort of scholarship to start with as a result of their success prior to universities they got accepted. When it comes to admissions to elite schools, money can all but guarantee access to those who can afford it https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/13/rich-kids-top-college-admissions
- Animats 4y ago
  That's what the Ivy League is for. It's difficult to flunk out of Harvard. 98% of those admitted graduate.
- msackler1 4y ago
- psKama 4y ago
  It is an obvious fact that majority of ivy league school students are coming from rich families. My argument is rather that (again with zero data to back it up) even if the ratio of full scholarship to full fee students is around 20%, a big majority of the ones who pursue an academic career (and become a professor) are the ones who got into those schools via scholarship in the first place while the rich kids mostly go back to running their family business or aiming for high paying jobs immediately after their graduation.
NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
Virtually no-one at a top school is spending a penny to get their PhD. Most of them are getting paid to do so.

by psKama 4y ago

mrkeen 4y ago

> it is very likely that majority of those professors attended those schools via a sort of scholarship to start with as a result of their success prior to universities they got accepted. When it comes to admissions to elite schools, money can all but guarantee access to those who can afford it https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/13/rich-kids-top-college-admissions

Animats 4y ago
That's what the Ivy League is for. It's difficult to flunk out of Harvard. 98% of those admitted graduate.
msackler1 4y ago
psKama 4y ago
It is an obvious fact that majority of ivy league school students are coming from rich families. My argument is rather that (again with zero data to back it up) even if the ratio of full scholarship to full fee students is around 20%, a big majority of the ones who pursue an academic career (and become a professor) are the ones who got into those schools via scholarship in the first place while the rich kids mostly go back to running their family business or aiming for high paying jobs immediately after their graduation.

NovemberWhiskey 4y ago

Virtually no-one at a top school is spending a penny to get their PhD. Most of them are getting paid to do so.